Nissan Leaf 40 and 62 (and Zoe 50)
Discussion
Hi all. Getting an EV point fitted soon and thinking about getting a Nissan Leaf and considering the second model. I've owned the first one before (a 2013 24) which was a fine car...but i'd like a bit more range a newer car.
I know they are somewhat flawed in terms of not being able to rapid charge well but i would never (or hardly ever)..but also....i haven't heard of any particular disasters in other respects.
On the used market...they seem to be well priced compared so other cars for similar size and type.
Would any current or previous Leaf 40 / 62 owners/users be able to give their opinions, pro's and cons etc? Including typical ranges under various conditions etc. I've looked on EV database so have a bit of an idea, just asking for more info really. Do the batteries tend to degrade over time like they did in the mk1?
It would mainly be for local driving with the very occasional longer drive, mixed use, mostly towns, b roads etc. Not much motorway stuff.
I'm aware that the Ioniq, Kona and Niro are probably better cars as EVs but they are also a bit more expensive.
The 52kWh Zoe is starting to look very good price wise too...and they offer a decent range...BUT....something is niggling me about those...haven't they had reported issues? (a bit smaller than the Leaf but it could work)
Thanks
I know they are somewhat flawed in terms of not being able to rapid charge well but i would never (or hardly ever)..but also....i haven't heard of any particular disasters in other respects.
On the used market...they seem to be well priced compared so other cars for similar size and type.
Would any current or previous Leaf 40 / 62 owners/users be able to give their opinions, pro's and cons etc? Including typical ranges under various conditions etc. I've looked on EV database so have a bit of an idea, just asking for more info really. Do the batteries tend to degrade over time like they did in the mk1?
It would mainly be for local driving with the very occasional longer drive, mixed use, mostly towns, b roads etc. Not much motorway stuff.
I'm aware that the Ioniq, Kona and Niro are probably better cars as EVs but they are also a bit more expensive.
The 52kWh Zoe is starting to look very good price wise too...and they offer a decent range...BUT....something is niggling me about those...haven't they had reported issues? (a bit smaller than the Leaf but it could work)
Thanks
Our 62kWh version has been a great buy. Tekna e+ so lots of kit which you don't need (heated steering wheel, surround camera,heated rear seats etc) and we have never had Android Auto or Carplay before which have been really useful.
It's comfortable to drive in a spongy, bouncy way. Steering has no feel and is very light. Pretty quiet except for wind noise from the massive door mirrors. Decent passenger space, boot space a little small. Interior plastics to worry a Dacia only.
We've only ever had a charge from home which has meant very cheap costs to run. Front tyres replaced at 27k miles (they were pretty worm away when we bought at 17k miles) and the rears are due for a change too. Not serviced yet although I'm not sure what there would be to do.
Efficiency was upto 3.5miles/kWh in the summer. Currently, in the frost, around 2.5m/kWh on motorway journeys, maybe upto 2.9 on shorter local roads with coasting etc. Its definitely less efficient at motorway speeds.
Range in summer is about 200 miles. I think a full battery now would struggle to see 160 miles. We drove the 160 mile round trip to Sheffield and back in September and the range fell to 0 about 5 miles from home, wont be making that trip at this time of year without charging.
It's comfortable to drive in a spongy, bouncy way. Steering has no feel and is very light. Pretty quiet except for wind noise from the massive door mirrors. Decent passenger space, boot space a little small. Interior plastics to worry a Dacia only.
We've only ever had a charge from home which has meant very cheap costs to run. Front tyres replaced at 27k miles (they were pretty worm away when we bought at 17k miles) and the rears are due for a change too. Not serviced yet although I'm not sure what there would be to do.
Efficiency was upto 3.5miles/kWh in the summer. Currently, in the frost, around 2.5m/kWh on motorway journeys, maybe upto 2.9 on shorter local roads with coasting etc. Its definitely less efficient at motorway speeds.
Range in summer is about 200 miles. I think a full battery now would struggle to see 160 miles. We drove the 160 mile round trip to Sheffield and back in September and the range fell to 0 about 5 miles from home, wont be making that trip at this time of year without charging.
M1C said:
Hi all. Getting an EV point fitted soon and thinking about getting a Nissan Leaf and considering the second model. I've owned the first one before (a 2013 24) which was a fine car...but i'd like a bit more range a newer car.
I know they are somewhat flawed in terms of not being able to rapid charge well but i would never (or hardly ever)..but also....i haven't heard of any particular disasters in other respects.
On the used market...they seem to be well priced compared so other cars for similar size and type.
Would any current or previous Leaf 40 / 62 owners/users be able to give their opinions, pro's and cons etc? Including typical ranges under various conditions etc. I've looked on EV database so have a bit of an idea, just asking for more info really. Do the batteries tend to degrade over time like they did in the mk1?
It would mainly be for local driving with the very occasional longer drive, mixed use, mostly towns, b roads etc. Not much motorway stuff.
I'm aware that the Ioniq, Kona and Niro are probably better cars as EVs but they are also a bit more expensive.
The 52kWh Zoe is starting to look very good price wise too...and they offer a decent range...BUT....something is niggling me about those...haven't they had reported issues? (a bit smaller than the Leaf but it could work)
Thanks
zoe forums, like all forums, are mostly populated by people with issues. most commonly seems to be 12v battery on it's way out and throwing weird and wonderful errors. Higher mileage ones are having motor bearing issues.I know they are somewhat flawed in terms of not being able to rapid charge well but i would never (or hardly ever)..but also....i haven't heard of any particular disasters in other respects.
On the used market...they seem to be well priced compared so other cars for similar size and type.
Would any current or previous Leaf 40 / 62 owners/users be able to give their opinions, pro's and cons etc? Including typical ranges under various conditions etc. I've looked on EV database so have a bit of an idea, just asking for more info really. Do the batteries tend to degrade over time like they did in the mk1?
It would mainly be for local driving with the very occasional longer drive, mixed use, mostly towns, b roads etc. Not much motorway stuff.
I'm aware that the Ioniq, Kona and Niro are probably better cars as EVs but they are also a bit more expensive.
The 52kWh Zoe is starting to look very good price wise too...and they offer a decent range...BUT....something is niggling me about those...haven't they had reported issues? (a bit smaller than the Leaf but it could work)
Thanks
Decent enough car to drive though.
Leaf developing a better reputation for long term longevity. Battery loss on the 40/62 typically seems to be about 10% (i.e. 90% ish remaining) at 100k miles and 5 years. I suspect most of that is in the first couple of years. Plenty of 130k mile taxis which have been constantly fast charged and abused still going strong out there which is encouraging.
I've seen slightly better than poster above on economy - typically about 3.5m/kw - down to 3ish in winter and approaching 4 in summer. In this weather (0 degrees) hacked along a motorway range could easily be down to a practical 130-150 miles (on a 62) but this is no worse than any other EV in winter motorway use. The Leaf also have an annoyingly pessimistic gauge - 0% equates to 10%+ battery actually remaining in some which can curtail real world range.
The road manners are pretty rubbish - bouncy, spongy and pretty hopeless as a motorway car. They hang on better than you might expect on a B-road and can be hustled a bit. Nice enough round town and incredibly easy and untaxing to drive. Heater furocious which is nice this time of year.
Well equipped with modern features but the age of the design shows through in other areas. Nonetheless they are old school Nissan build, cost peanuts to run, don't go wrong much and if they do there is probably a better support base than any other EV.
I've seen slightly better than poster above on economy - typically about 3.5m/kw - down to 3ish in winter and approaching 4 in summer. In this weather (0 degrees) hacked along a motorway range could easily be down to a practical 130-150 miles (on a 62) but this is no worse than any other EV in winter motorway use. The Leaf also have an annoyingly pessimistic gauge - 0% equates to 10%+ battery actually remaining in some which can curtail real world range.
The road manners are pretty rubbish - bouncy, spongy and pretty hopeless as a motorway car. They hang on better than you might expect on a B-road and can be hustled a bit. Nice enough round town and incredibly easy and untaxing to drive. Heater furocious which is nice this time of year.
Well equipped with modern features but the age of the design shows through in other areas. Nonetheless they are old school Nissan build, cost peanuts to run, don't go wrong much and if they do there is probably a better support base than any other EV.
Watching with interest.
My parents have gone and bought a 40KW 2019 Leaf, but doing some research there don't seem to be any obvious horror stories with them, they seem like a good used buy.
My only personal concern is the main battery warranty is 5 years, and theirs is already 5 years old, so if that goes in any big way, it's bad news, but it doesn't seem 'likely' and so it will probably be fine, but it would worry me.
My parents have gone and bought a 40KW 2019 Leaf, but doing some research there don't seem to be any obvious horror stories with them, they seem like a good used buy.
My only personal concern is the main battery warranty is 5 years, and theirs is already 5 years old, so if that goes in any big way, it's bad news, but it doesn't seem 'likely' and so it will probably be fine, but it would worry me.
The 62s seem to be prone to faulty cells in the battery pack, Nissan are happy to sort this under the 5yr warranty but once it’s out of warranty it’s less clear - they class it as a fault and not degradation therefore not covered by the 8yr battery warranty
No idea whether it’s a manufacturing fault so cars that have been fixed won’t see the issue again - or just general wear and tear
No idea whether it’s a manufacturing fault so cars that have been fixed won’t see the issue again - or just general wear and tear
We’ve had a 22 plate Zoe r135 50 for around 6 months now. No problems to date mostly used around town with a 135 mile round trip on motorway once/twice a month. Have not needed a top up charge for this trip yet but battery is between 10-20% when I get home.
Seating position doesn’t have a great range of adjustment but drives fine for what it is/costs.
Mobile phone charging plate is intermittent with a warning about removing metal but seems a known issue without a fix.
Seating position doesn’t have a great range of adjustment but drives fine for what it is/costs.
Mobile phone charging plate is intermittent with a warning about removing metal but seems a known issue without a fix.
I bought a used 40kw Leaf the middle of last year
Range is up to about 150 miles in the summer, more like 100 this time of year with the heating on.
Well equipped and its unexpectedly taken over something like 95% of all our car usage. I particularly like being able to put the heating / heated seats / headed steering wheel on from my phone and getting into a warm car!
Range is up to about 150 miles in the summer, more like 100 this time of year with the heating on.
Well equipped and its unexpectedly taken over something like 95% of all our car usage. I particularly like being able to put the heating / heated seats / headed steering wheel on from my phone and getting into a warm car!
Had our 2023 40 kw Tekna since August last year, paid £14k. The vast majority of its use is just local journeys and its only needed a fast charge on one occasion where we were using it beyond its range.
In summer it managed 4.5 miles per kw on some journeys so an indicated 180 miles, that was driving as economically as possible. Normal driving it sees about 4, now in winter its averaging 3.5.
I love being able to heat it up from the app, makes winter driving so much more pleasant, it's got heated seats and steering wheel and warms up really quickly.
Automatic cruise is brilliant but I leave the lane keep assist off as it's a bit intrusive.
0 to 40 it's really quick, beyond that it's quite adequate.
As part of a 2 car household with home charging it's perfect, I've still got a fun petrol though and for me the range isn't quite enough if it was our only car. Saying that we don't do that many long journeys so in reality we could probably make it work - bear in mind its chademo and these chargers aren't as numerous as CCS - maybe have a look at zapmap to see what availability is like on the kind of long journeys you might do.
In summer it managed 4.5 miles per kw on some journeys so an indicated 180 miles, that was driving as economically as possible. Normal driving it sees about 4, now in winter its averaging 3.5.
I love being able to heat it up from the app, makes winter driving so much more pleasant, it's got heated seats and steering wheel and warms up really quickly.
Automatic cruise is brilliant but I leave the lane keep assist off as it's a bit intrusive.
0 to 40 it's really quick, beyond that it's quite adequate.
As part of a 2 car household with home charging it's perfect, I've still got a fun petrol though and for me the range isn't quite enough if it was our only car. Saying that we don't do that many long journeys so in reality we could probably make it work - bear in mind its chademo and these chargers aren't as numerous as CCS - maybe have a look at zapmap to see what availability is like on the kind of long journeys you might do.
We have a Zoe 50 for my wife and daughter. It’s lovely to drive around town- I prefer it to my Tesla- range is about 160 miles in winter, lots of toys (heated seats and steering wheel are essential), cost about £12K with 2 years of warranty remaining and has done about 12,000 miles- a bargain that costs pennies to run.
The App is a bit pants though
The App is a bit pants though
I've had a leaf 40 since January. Range is very dependent on driving conditions, town driving it is excellent but motorway driving the range is quite restrictive. It struggles to make the round trip from home to the airport which is 120 miles which is mainly due to crossing the Pennines I think as it made the trip from home to the coast which is a 140 mile round trip.
Its comfortable and very well equipped the pre-warming with the app is amazing and I don't think my wife will accept a car that doesn't have this feature ever again.
Charging wise we have a home charger and use octopus intelligent go which gives us an average cost of 2 pence per mile
We have used public chargers a couple of times when on longer journeys and it can be difficult to find a working CHAdeMO charger, but once found they charge pretty quick but do cost a small fortune.
It replaced a petrol powered mini clubman and overall for our usage its a much better fit and much cheaper to run
Its comfortable and very well equipped the pre-warming with the app is amazing and I don't think my wife will accept a car that doesn't have this feature ever again.
Charging wise we have a home charger and use octopus intelligent go which gives us an average cost of 2 pence per mile
We have used public chargers a couple of times when on longer journeys and it can be difficult to find a working CHAdeMO charger, but once found they charge pretty quick but do cost a small fortune.
It replaced a petrol powered mini clubman and overall for our usage its a much better fit and much cheaper to run
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