RE: Saab 9-3 Carlsson | Spotted

RE: Saab 9-3 Carlsson | Spotted

Wednesday 14th May

Saab 9-3 Carlsson | Spotted

A rally homage in name more than anything else, but a rare classic Saab nonetheless


There’s a long-standing tradition for special edition road cars to wear the names of famous rally drivers. It continues to this day with the GR Yaris Rovanpera and Ogier, while it’s impossible to mention a Lancer Evo without Tommi Makinen - or a Subaru Impreza without Colin. His car was the Series McRae, with Richard Burns’ initials, of course, found on the RB5 and RB320. 

Those are the best known, but don’t forget there were the Citroën Loeb Editions (actually, maybe do forget those), the Carlos Sainz Celicas, and the Paddy Hopkirk Mini. Though it tends to be track drivers that lend their name to special editions, the rally icons do get their 15 minutes of fame as well. This Saab is another one. 

No, really. The 9-3 Aero Carlsson was launched in 2010, marking 50 years since Saab’s first rally win. Appropriately enough, it was on the RAC, with Erik Carlsson driving a Saab 96. Therefore, 96 9-3s were given a little spruce-up to mark the occasion. Given the predicament Saab found themselves in by 2010, it was hardly an extensive overhaul by the standards of the motorsport special genre, but it makes for a nice little collectors’ piece 15 years on. 

They were V6 Aeros, basically, with 280hp from the 2.8 turbo V6 and all-wheel drive. Marking a Carlsson out from standard were the rear spoiler and badge, plus 19-inch wheels and some titanium exhausts. Only the very dedicated would know it was any different, in keeping with Swedish tradition for subtlety. By all accounts, the drive was very familiar from the earlier Turbo X, which is to say a bit outclassed by the standard of the day because the 9-3 was pretty old by then, but rapid and assured enough. 

This one’s an auto - a manual is a real find - with just under 100,000 miles. There’s not a wealth of info in the ad, which is a shame, though it’s hardly like the classifieds are littered with rare Saabs from the end of the company’s life. Celebrate the fact! The interior in particular looks really good, and all the Carlsson exterior bits are present and correct. The 9-3 always seemed to suit this facelift better than similar treatment on the 9-5 did. 

Having notched up 88,000 miles by the time of an MOT in October 2020, the Carlsson has lived a quieter life since; by last year’s MOT it was sat at 93k, and now the tally is 96,000 with a fresh ticket required. So there’s your first negotiating point. The price itself is £11,990, probably since this is a rare version of what’s becoming a very rare Saab. Most 9-3s left now are diesels, most of the petrol ones are convertibles, and the V6 is very seldom seen indeed. This might not be a pre-GM classic, but there are still a good few quirks of the Saab brand in the 9-3 Carlsson - see the Night Panel switch and the ignition barrel by the gear lever, for example. Never mind that there are Audi S4s and BMW 335is with more power for similar money - imagine how good it might look in a Saab Carlsson collection alongside a 900.    


SPECIFICATION | SAAB 9-3 CARLSSON

Engine: 2,792cc V6, turbocharged
Transmission: 6-speed automatic, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 280@5,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 295
MPG: 25
CO2: 269g/km
Recorded mileage: 96,000
First registered: 2010
Price new: £26,495
Yours for: £11,990

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steve S owner

Original Poster:

90 posts

237 months

Wednesday 14th May
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I like Sabbs and have had a few but I do rather think they are trying it on with the price.

Slowlygettingit

772 posts

55 months

Wednesday 14th May
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Not to be confused with the Clarkson edition - which was very loud, stunk of fags and annoyed a load of people while still maintaining a strong cult following……
And is now frequently seen in fields

Type R Tom

4,114 posts

163 months

Wednesday 14th May
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Probably more desirable than a VXR of similar vintage and specification.

Frimley111R

16,910 posts

248 months

Wednesday 14th May
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Nice but a 15 year old SAAB with 100k for £12,000 is pushing it a bit.

mooseracer

2,338 posts

184 months

Wednesday 14th May
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Didn't they do a 9000 Carlsson many years before?

GeniusOfLove

3,398 posts

26 months

Wednesday 14th May
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It looked and sounded crap and then I saw it's an auto, the same AW automatic gearbox made for cheap little runarounds that neutered countless Volvos, which takes it to a whole realm beyond crap. Then I saw the price they want for it.

Absolute turd, do these late really rubbish GM Saabs have any following outside of the "I buy all my cars for £1k" sheddists and skint panic buyers?

Fetchez la vache

5,746 posts

228 months

Wednesday 14th May
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Any excuse to post this epic shot of a great rally driver...

pSyCoSiS

3,869 posts

219 months

Wednesday 14th May
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mooseracer said:
Didn't they do a 9000 Carlsson many years before?
They did, and they looked very cool in red with the anthracite 3-spoke alloys.

Earthdweller

15,818 posts

140 months

Wednesday 14th May
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pSyCoSiS said:
They did, and they looked very cool in red with the anthracite 3-spoke alloys.
And a 900 too


7 5 7

3,784 posts

125 months

Wednesday 14th May
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GeniusOfLove said:
It looked and sounded crap and then I saw it's an auto, the same AW automatic gearbox made for cheap little runarounds that neutered countless Volvos, which takes it to a whole realm beyond crap. Then I saw the price they want for it.

Absolute turd, do these late really rubbish GM Saabs have any following outside of the "I buy all my cars for £1k" sheddists and skint panic buyers?
You'll be surprised, I liked mine when I had mine (1.9TTiD) - much preferred it to my BMW it shared the drive with at the time - good brisk motorway cars, something different to the masses, I miss SAAB in all honesty.

jimmytheone

1,677 posts

232 months

Wednesday 14th May
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Fetchez la vache said:

Any excuse to post this epic shot of a great rally driver...
Yeah, he was great in planes trains and automobiles

-Lummox-

1,544 posts

227 months

Wednesday 14th May
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Interesting car, cheeky asking price, horrible road tax band.

FWIW I like Saabs and have owned several but this one isn't for me.

WPA

11,733 posts

128 months

Wednesday 14th May
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Frimley111R said:
Nice but a 15 year old SAAB with 100k for £12,000 is pushing it a bit.
Spot on, I might be wrong but to me £5k tops

Water Fairy

6,093 posts

169 months

Wednesday 14th May
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Owned around 10 Saabs over the years and like many I'm sad they are no more.

Met Eric as a kid as dad was good friends with him and his wife Pat Moss for many years through work. A very self deprecating man I remember.

As for this car, far too pricey of course and these don't have the same torque shuffling rear diff as the Turbo X. Add to that the already mentioned dreadful auto and it's a hard no.

Still look pretty good though imho.


Master Bean

4,381 posts

134 months

Wednesday 14th May
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steve S owner said:
I like Sabbs and have had a few but I do rather think they are trying it on with the price.
I do like a marine diesel.

Justin-ow582

414 posts

119 months

Wednesday 14th May
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Weren't all 9-3 Carlssons automatic?
If you want the 2.8 v6 with XWD and a manual gearbox you'd need to get a Turbo X or an XWD optioned Aero.


Mysstree

527 posts

60 months

Wednesday 14th May
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jimmytheone said:
Fetchez la vache said:

Any excuse to post this epic shot of a great rally driver...
Yeah, he was great in planes trains and automobiles
Thought it was a young Les Dawson.

Justin-ow582

414 posts

119 months

Wednesday 14th May
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WPA said:
Frimley111R said:
Nice but a 15 year old SAAB with 100k for £12,000 is pushing it a bit.
Spot on, I might be wrong but to me £5k tops
The market trends £8k upwards for a Carlsson, but that's the difference between the prices being asked for on the rather limited Saab s/h market and what's generally perceived to be what they're actually worth to non-Saab enthusiasts.

You can get a Turbo X cheaper, and due to the option of a manual, the TX is the better car IMO (I've had manual and auto Turbo Xs in the past, I'd never get an auto again).

I believe that the Carlssons were noticeably cheaper than the TX when new, which was surprising considering the similar spec. Maybe they realised that they simply wouldn't sell.

J4CKO

44,145 posts

214 months

Wednesday 14th May
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GeniusOfLove said:
It looked and sounded crap and then I saw it's an auto, the same AW automatic gearbox made for cheap little runarounds that neutered countless Volvos, which takes it to a whole realm beyond crap. Then I saw the price they want for it.

Absolute turd, do these late really rubbish GM Saabs have any following outside of the "I buy all my cars for £1k" sheddists and skint panic buyers?
12 grand gets quite a lot of Jag XJ doesnt it ?

Had both, well an Aero 2.0, I know its rare but they werent really much cop.

GeniusOfLove

3,398 posts

26 months

Wednesday 14th May
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J4CKO said:
GeniusOfLove said:
It looked and sounded crap and then I saw it's an auto, the same AW automatic gearbox made for cheap little runarounds that neutered countless Volvos, which takes it to a whole realm beyond crap. Then I saw the price they want for it.

Absolute turd, do these late really rubbish GM Saabs have any following outside of the "I buy all my cars for £1k" sheddists and skint panic buyers?
12 grand gets quite a lot of Jag XJ doesnt it ?

Had both, well an Aero 2.0, I know its rare but they werent really much cop.
I bought a 510bhp one with half these miles for a grand less than this two years ago, so I'd say so hehe

I love proper SAABs, my brother has a 1972 96 that I enjoy using and the 99 and 900 were among the best cars of their era. The 9000 was a really decent exec too. One of my favourite car companies and I am really sad they died, but I also believe they died in 1994 when the 900 NG made it crystal clear what the future of the company looked like.

Edited by GeniusOfLove on Wednesday 14th May 16:21