RE: Saab 900 Carlsson | High Mile Club
RE: Saab 900 Carlsson | High Mile Club
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Saab 900 Carlsson | High Mile Club

A quarter of a million miles young - and looking better than ever


Some cars crop up as unexpected high mileage heroes - think the Ferrari 308, for example. Others are built, used and enjoyed with mega miles in mind, and perhaps no manufacturer encapsulates that approach quite like Saab. They were designed with harsh Scandi seasons in mind, so a dark and dank British winter wasn’t really a concern; plenty were really powerful as well, and speed most definitely does matter; Saabs also offered up unique ownership and driving experiences, too, so the incentive was there to keep them. Because what else would you change them for? 

Check the classifieds now and you’ll find all manner of Saabs with serious six-figure mileages, from a 9-3 Viggen convertible to a 9-5 Aero wagon. Most look like they’ve plenty of life left in them as well. Then there’s the highest mileage (by a margin), most expensive (triple anything else with more than 100k) Saab in the classifieds. The one that’s the most desirable by a margin, too: a 900 Carlsson

This being PH, you’ll probably know all about a limited edition Saab from 35 years ago. But just in case, the 900 Carlsson celebrated rally legend Erik Carlsson, with something like 600 coming to the UK between 1990 and 1992. It boasted a little more power than a standard Turbo at 185hp, as well as the funky aerokit and fabulous three-spoke wheels. There were Carlsson badges on the C-pillars, and the choice of Red, White or Black paint. Obviously we all know which one was fastest. 

This Carlsson, as red as a yuppie’s set of braces, really has quite the story to tell. Because it’s covered 261,000 miles since 1991, or a little less than 8,000 every single year for more than a third of a century. Which is some going. This being one of the last old school Saabs (GM bought its first 50 per cent stake in 1990), plus a rare edition, you can bet on this Carlsson being loved over the years. Even a 900 needs some love and expense to get beyond a quarter of a million miles. 

At 231,000 miles, or 30,000 miles ago, the engine was rebuilt because it was using a lot of oil; at that time the rest of the car was restored as well, with a DVD (remember those!) documenting the process. A reconditioned gearbox went in at 236,000 miles; since that time the MOT history hasn’t been perfect, but there have been a good few clean passes. Encouraging given the age and mileage. Just get that rust tended to asap. 

Undoubtedly there remains an awful lot to like, from a service book stamped up to almost 200,000 miles and a previous owner willing to drive it 300 miles to the selling dealer. A good deal of TLC has been lavished on this Saab over the years; let’s hope that can continue for a good while yet. Wherever the 260k Carlsson goes, a favourable reception seems guaranteed, which will go a long way to justifying the £15k. It might even get more eyeballs than the 260k Ferrari… 


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BigChiefmuffinAgain

Original Poster:

1,461 posts

116 months

£16K - now that is the definition of optimism....

pSyCoSiS

3,958 posts

223 months

That is one proper cool Saab. Colour combo is spot on.

Agreed, price is optimistic.

Quhet

2,705 posts

164 months

i used to think these looked cool....now not so much. The cleaner lines of a 'normal' turbo are so much nicer

GeniusOfLove

4,111 posts

30 months

Fond memories of these, it was one of the first "fast" cars I drove and I was given the keys and warned "this is quite quick, be careful"

Obviously as soon as I was round the corner I stood on the throttle pedal and... nothing happened.

"This is a bit crap" I thought, "I wonder if it's broken" and held my foot on the floor... and held it... and held it...

WHOOOOOOOOOSH "OH IT IS FAST!" hehe

Terrible power delivery, terrible chassis, absolutely amazing car cloud9

Liamjrhodes

324 posts

159 months

Saw my first 900 in a good few years this morning driving past me. The standard ones are rare so valuing this is difficult. But 16k does seem quite steep!

Turbobanana

7,440 posts

219 months

BigChiefmuffinAgain said:
£16K - now that is the definition of optimism....
Not so sure, I don't think it sounds that bad. SAAB enthusiasts will know what this car is, how rare it is and how irrelevant the odometer reading is. Others, perhaps not.

Turbobanana

7,440 posts

219 months

GeniusOfLove said:
Fond memories of these, it was one of the first "fast" cars I drove and I was given the keys and warned "this is quite quick, be careful"

Obviously as soon as I was round the corner I stood on the throttle pedal and... nothing happened.

"This is a bit crap" I thought, "I wonder if it's broken" and held my foot on the floor... and held it... and held it...

WHOOOOOOOOOSH "OH IT IS FAST!" hehe

Terrible power delivery, terrible chassis, absolutely amazing car cloud9
Sounds like you drove a bad one. Yes, there is epic turbo lag. You do, genuinely, get used to that. The chassis was generally highly regarded, in particular the location of the rear axle and how the longitudinal mounting of the engine virtually eliminated torque steer due to having equal length driveshafts.

Alternatively the one you drove may have been on cheap tyres, as that can make a huge difference.

I owned turbo SAABs for 25 years and never found the handling gave any cause for concern.

NiceCupOfTea

25,458 posts

269 months

They handle very well, and it's not so much lag as the boost threshold - plant your foot at 1800rpms and nothing happens as the turbo doesn't spin up until 2500. As with many cars, these idiosyncracies add character - engineer them out and you have something boring and anodyne in my opinion. The later water cooled mitsubishi TE05 turbos are smoother in delivery.

As for the price - is it really that much? How much for an equivalent e30? or Peugeot 205 GTi? or Mk.2 GTI? I never understand why they are so undervalued.

My T16S in on 190k and still drives really well. Rust is the killer and they hide it well so it needs keeping on top of.

the-norseman

14,611 posts

189 months

I'm mid 30's and really have a want for a 900 at the moment. There was a ruby edition for sale recently near me.

GeniusOfLove

4,111 posts

30 months

NiceCupOfTea said:
They handle very well, and it's not so much lag as the boost threshold - plant your foot at 1800rpms and nothing happens as the turbo doesn't spin up until 2500. As with many cars, these idiosyncracies add character - engineer them out and you have something boring and anodyne in my opinion. The later water cooled mitsubishi TE05 turbos are smoother in delivery.

As for the price - is it really that much? How much for an equivalent e30? or Peugeot 205 GTi? or Mk.2 GTI? I never understand why they are so undervalued.

My T16S in on 190k and still drives really well. Rust is the killer and they hide it well so it needs keeping on top of.
Oh don't get me wrong after I worked out what was happening it was loads of fun, in that scrabbling hooligan FWD way, and I loved it very much. I still do love proper SAABs and borrow my brothers 96 on the rare occasions he has it running. Still not sure I'd say it handled 180+bhp and that big torque surge through the front wheels with a huge degree of finesse though.

I'd rather turbos like that than the boring turbos we have now that just end up feeling like a particularly rubbish NASP engine. If this is solid I don't think it's overpriced really, the days of proper 900s being a couple of grand are long gone. Personally I'd rather a "regular" turbo and a few grand in change though.

Edited by GeniusOfLove on Wednesday 1st October 13:46

cerb4.5lee

38,656 posts

198 months

I remember when high mileage used to cripple the value of a car, but that just doesn't seem to happen nowadays with these older cars for whatever reason though.

This is a nice blast from the past I think.

Wheel Turned Out

1,687 posts

56 months

cerb4.5lee said:
I remember when high mileage used to cripple the value of a car, but that just doesn't seem to happen nowadays with these older cars for whatever reason though.

This is a nice blast from the past I think.
I know what you mean, but I don't think it has ever applied to old Saabs quite so much as other stuff. Maybe because people were more confident a Saab of the period could handle the miles better than a lot of its contemporaries.

pSyCoSiS

3,958 posts

223 months

Wheel Turned Out said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I remember when high mileage used to cripple the value of a car, but that just doesn't seem to happen nowadays with these older cars for whatever reason though.

This is a nice blast from the past I think.
I know what you mean, but I don't think it has ever applied to old Saabs quite so much as other stuff. Maybe because people were more confident a Saab of the period could handle the miles better than a lot of its contemporaries.
And also it is still 'below average' for the year, based on the general 10k per annum rule.

GeniusOfLove

4,111 posts

30 months

Wheel Turned Out said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I remember when high mileage used to cripple the value of a car, but that just doesn't seem to happen nowadays with these older cars for whatever reason though.

This is a nice blast from the past I think.
I know what you mean, but I don't think it has ever applied to old Saabs quite so much as other stuff. Maybe because people were more confident a Saab of the period could handle the miles better than a lot of its contemporaries.
Rightly so I'd say too, Saabs (and Volvos) were superbly made for the time and I think with the same level of care could be expected to last at least twice as long as a Ford/BL/GM/whatever contemporary.

Comparing the build and material quality on my brothers '72 Saab 96 to a new for '73 Allegro or a '72 Escort is absolutely laughable.

Jimbo.

4,118 posts

207 months

cerb4.5lee said:
I remember when high mileage used to cripple the value of a car, but that just doesn't seem to happen nowadays with these older cars for whatever reason though.

This is a nice blast from the past I think.
Condition trumps mileage at this age.

Lovely, lovely thing that Saab.

DaveyBoyWonder

3,297 posts

192 months

Really love the styling of these but suspect they'd be an absolute POS to own/drive.

dhutch

16,973 posts

215 months

NiceCupOfTea said:
As for the price - is it really that much? How much for an equivalent e30? or Peugeot 205 GTi? or Mk.2 GTI? I never understand why they are so undervalued.
As the sayings go... "Find me another one" also "Its worth what someone will pay for it"

cerb4.5lee

38,656 posts

198 months

DaveyBoyWonder said:
Really love the styling of these but suspect they'd be an absolute POS to own/drive.
I remember when I got the opportunity to drive a Sierra XR4x4 again a few years back, and back the 90's I absolutely loved the two I had to drive for sure. But getting another go in one was a world of disappointment though for me. I still like the idea of getting another one, but I know the reality wouldn't match up to my memories though for definite.

Arsecati

2,661 posts

135 months

Fabulous looking thing in my opinion - I remember these well in period (though admittedly far more fond of the 9000 Carlsson - ooof, what a car that was!). Price seems perfectly reasonable to me, even decent value if I'm pushed.

NiceCupOfTea

25,458 posts

269 months

DaveyBoyWonder said:
Really love the styling of these but suspect they'd be an absolute POS to own/drive.
Depends really. Are they as refined and smooth as a modern car? No. Will a tatty one be super reliable and quiet? No. A well maintained one now will be as reliable and good to drive as they were in their day. Very reliable if looked after and not abused. Comfortable - great seats, brilliant heaters, A/C on some, great ergonomics and visibilty (streets ahead of most modern cars), more than able to keep up with modern traffic, handle well. Power steering as standard, cruise and ABS often there on turbos. The sportier ones ride isn't the best but run them on fresh standard suspension and standard 15" alloys and it will be better than modern "sporty" cars with huge wheels and rubber band tyres. NVH won't be up the standard of a modern car, but certainly not unacceptable.

In terms of the driving experience, the gearboxes don't like to be hurried and should be treated carefully but they are responsive to drive. Steering is relatively low geared and is usually the first thing I notice when I'm driving it for the first time in a while. They handle well and the setup means there's very little torque steer.

Plenty of good specialists around, most parts still available.