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Looking at the Autotrader site and I've got a real hankering for a Classic Porsche, their sooo cool.
Some thing along the lines of this
http://pictures.autotrader.co.uk/ATD_web/servlet/med
A 1976 classic
Is it a bottomless pit of money and hassle?
Whose had one?
Some thing along the lines of this
http://pictures.autotrader.co.uk/ATD_web/servlet/med
A 1976 classic
Is it a bottomless pit of money and hassle?
Whose had one?
It's a Carrera 3.0
http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/WWW/CARS_popup.asp?
I have one, in white. It's a lovely car.
Very practical, great runner, engine is wonderful, brakes crap, and suspension dodgy.
We love it. Pretty reliable too - very difficult to understand that it's 30 years old in a few months.
http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/WWW/CARS_popup.asp?
I have one, in white. It's a lovely car.
Very practical, great runner, engine is wonderful, brakes crap, and suspension dodgy.
We love it. Pretty reliable too - very difficult to understand that it's 30 years old in a few months.
Try the PCGB site, you will probably need to register but its free. The only thing I know about 911's of this vintage is that they are not galvanised so getting a rust free example would be advisable.
www.porscheclubgb.com/
www.porscheclubgb.com/
I have a 72 MFI car. The year with the exterior oil filler.
The 72 has a galvanised floor but not a gal. body.
73.5 is considered to be the last of what is considered the lightweight cars.
I just drove mine into winter storage this morning. The MFI cars, that's the ones before the CISs are the ones that have the nice gurguling sound. I like driving mine it's of course not going to win any NHRA titles, but still very nippy. Most of the parts for these cars are still available, some bits are a bit costly especially those that pertain only to the "S". The Pelicanparts 911
forum particapants can answer anything regarding the early 911s.(as can renlist)
Negatives - awfullly long throw on the gear stick, although there is a kit to remedy this. Difficult to tune (properly) but once done they are good for a long time.
My car is very reliable, I can drive it anywhere.
Jeff
PS That Carrera looks an excellent buy.
>> Edited by jeff m on Friday 2nd December 22:16
The 72 has a galvanised floor but not a gal. body.
73.5 is considered to be the last of what is considered the lightweight cars.
I just drove mine into winter storage this morning. The MFI cars, that's the ones before the CISs are the ones that have the nice gurguling sound. I like driving mine it's of course not going to win any NHRA titles, but still very nippy. Most of the parts for these cars are still available, some bits are a bit costly especially those that pertain only to the "S". The Pelicanparts 911
forum particapants can answer anything regarding the early 911s.(as can renlist)
Negatives - awfullly long throw on the gear stick, although there is a kit to remedy this. Difficult to tune (properly) but once done they are good for a long time.
My car is very reliable, I can drive it anywhere.
Jeff
PS That Carrera looks an excellent buy.
>> Edited by jeff m on Friday 2nd December 22:16
jeff m said:
if its gotta be an oldie its gotta be a 914-6. Ohhhh my how quick those little beasts are.
The 914-6s are a bit rare and getting expensive, there was a blue one
at the TVR Woodwork car show a couple of years ago. Possibly owned by someone on here.
indeed they are, thats why im pushing my dad to go and finally bloody pick one up. A guy in our pca region got one this past year. Its the most fun car ive ever been in.
The Carrera 3 was an interim model between the truly horrible 2.7 (the Carrera excepted) and the much more liveable SC. My recollection is that that the engine is not as strong as the SCs, but it does produce more power than its replacement. It has never taken off as a "classic" 911, probably because it isn't any better than the SC that replaced it.
For my money, the only "classic" 911 of that era is the 2.7 Carrera - essentially the 2.7RS running gear in an impact bumper body. These remained excellent value for money up until recently but I have noticed prices rising. I haven't consciously been monitoring prices but seem to recall someone (Ken Coad???) asking circa £20k for their car.
For my money, the only "classic" 911 of that era is the 2.7 Carrera - essentially the 2.7RS running gear in an impact bumper body. These remained excellent value for money up until recently but I have noticed prices rising. I haven't consciously been monitoring prices but seem to recall someone (Ken Coad???) asking circa £20k for their car.
rubystone said:
The Carrera 3 was an interim model between the truly horrible 2.7 (the Carrera excepted) and the much more liveable SC. My recollection is that that the engine is not as strong as the SCs, but it does produce more power than its replacement. It has never taken off as a "classic" 911, probably because it isn't any better than the SC that replaced it.
Huh!
The 76/77 3.0's had a bigger version of the 2.7 and the engine is very good. It is the early SC's that were of reduced power and more weight I think. Then I think once you get to the early 80's the SC had caught back up ...
The Carrera 3 is a not widely recognised gem (assuming you get one in good nick).
1976/77 Carrera 3.0 - 200 bhp - 255 Nm - engine 200 kg - 230 km/h - 0-62 6.5 s
1978/79 SC - 180 bhp - 265 Nm - engine 200 kg - 225 km/h - 0-62 7.0 s
1980 SC - 188 bhp - 265 Nm - engine 190 kg - 225 km/h - 0-62 7.0 s
1981/82/83 SC - 204 bhp - 267 Nm - engine 190 kg - 235 km/h - 0-62 6.8 s
1984 Carrera - 231 bhp - 284 Nm - engine 210 kg - 245 km/h - 0-62 6.1 s
1990 Carrera 2 - 250 bhp - 310 Nm - engine 238 kg - 260 km/h - 0-62 5.7 s
1992 Carrera RS - 260 bhp - 325 Nm - engine 226 kg - 260 km/h - 0-62 5.3 s
So - the 1978 to 1980 period is to be avoided if you are only looking at engine performance - it was a step backwards.
Joe911 said:
The Carrera 3 was an interim model between the truly horrible 2.7 (the Carrera excepted) and the much more liveable SC. My recollection is that that the engine is not as strong as the SCs, but it does produce more power than its replacement. It has never taken off as a "classic" 911, probably because it isn't any better than the SC that replaced it.
Huh!
The 76/77 3.0's had a bigger version of the 2.7 and the engine is very good. It is the early SC's that were of reduced power and more weight I think. Then I think once you get to the early 80's the SC had caught back up ...
The Carrera 3 is a not widely recognised gem (assuming you get one in good nick).
1976/77 Carrera 3.0 - 200 bhp - 255 Nm - engine 200 kg - 230 km/h - 0-62 6.5 s
1978/79 SC - 180 bhp - 265 Nm - engine 200 kg - 225 km/h - 0-62 7.0 s
1980 SC - 188 bhp - 265 Nm - engine 190 kg - 225 km/h - 0-62 7.0 s
1981/82/83 SC - 204 bhp - 267 Nm - engine 190 kg - 235 km/h - 0-62 6.8 s
1984 Carrera - 231 bhp - 284 Nm - engine 210 kg - 245 km/h - 0-62 6.1 s
1990 Carrera 2 - 250 bhp - 310 Nm - engine 238 kg - 260 km/h - 0-62 5.7 s
1992 Carrera RS - 260 bhp - 325 Nm - engine 226 kg - 260 km/h - 0-62 5.3 s
So - the 1978 to 1980 period is to be avoided if you are only looking at engine performance - it was a step backwards.
Joe, I did say that the Carrera 3 produced more power than its replacement, but this early development of the engine was known to be weaker. Equally, the 180 bhp cars all actually produced more power than advertised - it's said that Porsche capped the power of the SC to make it slower than the 928 that they wanted....when Peter Schutz arrived, he realised that they couldn't kill the 911 and progressively upped the power...
But is the Carrera 3 worth a premium over a late SC? I'd argue it isn't...for the past 20 years we've been waiting for the Carrera 3 to achieve that long promised "classic" status and I can't see that it has...
rubystone said:
But is the Carrera 3 worth a premium over a late SC?
I was really comparing the Carrera 3 to what came immediately after, and I would rather have a 3 than an early SC. Agreed, the later SC's are better.
I think when you get to cars of that age, you are really buying more on condition (and personal preference) than whether or not one had slight more HP, or more weight, than another.
The pre-impact bumper cars have always been more desirable in the eyes of most people - but they're not fully galvanised, which is not ideal for an old car.
Joe911 said:
The pre-impact bumper cars have always been more desirable in the eyes of most people - but they're not fully galvanised, which is not ideal for an old car.
To be honest, the latest SCs are 22 years old and the earliest nearly 30. Despite their galvanising, doggy SCs now resemble my 1972 2.4s before I fully restored it in 1989, a mere 17 years after it first rolled off the production line.
Any RHD pre-impacts must have had some work done - they'd have dissolved by now if they hadn't. As Joe says, only the last couple of years of pre impact production (IIRC) had galvanised floorplans and sills - my floorpans were fine, the sills were scrap.
I agree that pre-impacts look cool - for this reason, I'd certainly look at (US dry state) lhd cars - there's something a bit cool about driving a genuine classic in lhd - the Japanese paid vast premiums for lhd cars purely for this fact.
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