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I bought a new key ring from OPC 2 years ago for the 993. It has now completely fallen apart. I kept my Porsche key ring that was orginally supplied with the 993 in 1997 and use it for my other car. 8 years on it is completely fine. Sadly, this probably reflects Porsche attitude to quality nowadays - they cannot even get their key rings right.
los angeles said:
Any more owners experiencing nasty shocks about Porsche reality?
Speaking as an ex-owner of a classic 911 and as an owner of two (new) recent Porsches I can confirm that they are better made now than they ever have been.
This is not to say the recent cars are utterly bullet-proof, they are not, but they are as well made as any other manufacturer's vehicles.
The odd one turns out to be a "Friday afternoon" car...but Porsche are generally very, very good at making it up to disappointed customers.
I'm sure there are stories (that we will hear now!) where either the product of the Company has had a problem. I feel I should point out, though, that they are better than many and certainly no worse than any other car maker I have experience of.
los angeles said:
Oh dear. Smoke signals signifying iffy build quality: the rings are either elliptical or broken. Keys rings are not necessarily a sure sign of rot in Stuggart, but they may be a sign of inattention to detail. On the other hand the Alfa Romeo key ring is a piece of enduring modern art, whereas their cars are models off iffy build quality.
Any more owners experiencing nasty shocks about Porsche reality?
LA
Thanks L.A. , you just made my morning.
I sat in a friends 997S on saturday, and was surprised to see that the courtesy light in the glove compartment hangs down when you open it, and the light on the door is also hanging loose.
This is not exactly up there with RMS, but let's honestly have a look at that it signifies. If it happened on a TVR, you'd say it was expected, but that is not the response attributable to a Porsche.
If porsche continue to erode their very own differentiators, they will be presented with a problem akin to that faced by Mercedes right now, where they are relying on the brand to carry them through their quality issues.
This is not exactly up there with RMS, but let's honestly have a look at that it signifies. If it happened on a TVR, you'd say it was expected, but that is not the response attributable to a Porsche.
If porsche continue to erode their very own differentiators, they will be presented with a problem akin to that faced by Mercedes right now, where they are relying on the brand to carry them through their quality issues.
my key fob also doesnt work - the battery on the little light had the temerity to fail and its only 12 years old. come on Porsche, get a grip!
(my car on the other hand still runs rings around 95% of new cars re performance and 98% re handling and balance. perhaps a little perspective is in order here?)
(my car on the other hand still runs rings around 95% of new cars re performance and 98% re handling and balance. perhaps a little perspective is in order here?)
jetix said:
I bought a new key ring from OPC 2 years ago for the 993. It has now completely fallen apart. I kept my Porsche key ring that was orginally supplied with the 993 in 1997 and use it for my other car. 8 years on it is completely fine. Sadly, this probably reflects Porsche attitude to quality nowadays - they cannot even get their key rings right.
Is this a wind up? Or are you really trying to draw an inference between keyring shelf life and Porsche production and design quality?
Had 2.7 Boxster from new and it was faultless (apart from one relay failing in 15,000 miles / 2 years - replaced FOC).
Then got an '89 3.2 cab, loved it but had to go as not practical for family / daily use.
Now got 6 yr old 996 C4 (not entirely practical but more so than the 3.2 cab!), and with 60,000 miles on it she still looks fresh as a daisy and drives beautifully.
All have been clearly manufactured to a higher standard than 'lesser' marques I have owned in the past and whilst I wouldn't object to a more robust wiper stalk in the 996 I'm pretty much delighted with my Porsche experience over the years.
...and all my key fobs have worked perfectly!
Yes, the accountants probably do have more of a say and building to a budget is doubtless more important than in the past - but if it weren't like that wouldn't Porsche have gone under / been amalgamated in the late 90s and then we wouldn't have any of the newer cars to criticise!!!!!
Basically I think they are great and I want to always have a Porsche on my drive!
Then got an '89 3.2 cab, loved it but had to go as not practical for family / daily use.
Now got 6 yr old 996 C4 (not entirely practical but more so than the 3.2 cab!), and with 60,000 miles on it she still looks fresh as a daisy and drives beautifully.
All have been clearly manufactured to a higher standard than 'lesser' marques I have owned in the past and whilst I wouldn't object to a more robust wiper stalk in the 996 I'm pretty much delighted with my Porsche experience over the years.
...and all my key fobs have worked perfectly!
Yes, the accountants probably do have more of a say and building to a budget is doubtless more important than in the past - but if it weren't like that wouldn't Porsche have gone under / been amalgamated in the late 90s and then we wouldn't have any of the newer cars to criticise!!!!!
Basically I think they are great and I want to always have a Porsche on my drive!
I have a 15 year old Diahatsu Fourtrack and am absolutely convinced it will get further across a ploughed field than my 993. But if you think a C2 with an engine hanging out the back is a challenge round country lanes, it's nothing compared to the Fourtrack! Leaf springs, knobbly tyres, ball joints that have done 140k miles and a high centre of gravity make for a white knuckle ride at anything over 40mph.
Er,
Can't remember what my point is now, or indeed what this thread was about....
Er,
Can't remember what my point is now, or indeed what this thread was about....
jetix said:
I bought a new key ring from OPC 2 years ago for the 993. It has now completely fallen apart. I kept my Porsche key ring that was orginally supplied with the 993 in 1997 and use it for my other car. 8 years on it is completely fine. Sadly, this probably reflects Porsche attitude to quality nowadays - they cannot even get their key rings right.
You should count your blessings. I bought a TVR keyring and 2 years later my car fell apart. Get real, Porsches are well built.
not really but I thought it was funny anyway
All my Porsche keyrings are still in fine fettle, but the build quality of the cars isn't quite up to what it once was...
The best, most solidly built car I've ever owned was a 944S2. It's also the only car I've ever owned to never have had a fault of any kind (not even a blown bulb), despite it having covered 85K miles.
The 968 that followed it it was good, but not quite as good at the 944.
More recently, my early 996, whilst a great car, lacked that solid, indestructable feel of the previous generation. I think, though, that the first generation 996s and 986s were the low point in Porsche build quality - the later ones seem better (at least that's the feeling I get with my Boxster), and it sounds like the current cars, whilst not approaching the over-engineered standards of late 80s Porsches, have moved the game on a fair bit further.
The best, most solidly built car I've ever owned was a 944S2. It's also the only car I've ever owned to never have had a fault of any kind (not even a blown bulb), despite it having covered 85K miles.
The 968 that followed it it was good, but not quite as good at the 944.
More recently, my early 996, whilst a great car, lacked that solid, indestructable feel of the previous generation. I think, though, that the first generation 996s and 986s were the low point in Porsche build quality - the later ones seem better (at least that's the feeling I get with my Boxster), and it sounds like the current cars, whilst not approaching the over-engineered standards of late 80s Porsches, have moved the game on a fair bit further.
LA said:
I bought a Porsche catalogue and the pages fell out. Stuff your cars, I said to the dealer, I'll take my money elsewhere, and I walked out his showroom. It was only later that I noticed the catalogue had been published in Blackpool.
well, my web browser crashed whilst looking on the porsche site this lunchtime, so ner-ner-na-ner-nerrrrr
>> Edited by spenny_b on Wednesday 7th December 17:15
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