A Marketing Question

A Marketing Question

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sb-1

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3,317 posts

264 months

Monday 20th March 2006
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How do you all approach marketing & whats your budget?

The Londoner

3,959 posts

239 months

Monday 20th March 2006
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On the basis that 50% of what I spend will not be effective, but I won't know which 50%!

sleepezy

1,808 posts

235 months

Monday 20th March 2006
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if you get away with a 50/50 ratio you are doing exceedingly well!!!

what's your target market - is it a wide audience (public) or a smaller number of 'multipliers' - i.e. unrelated people who can provide a series opportunities to you

i view marketing as the latter - i.e. to a small audienece, whereas advertising is casting a wider net (this is only me definition tho! - they are very different things though)

srebbe64

13,021 posts

238 months

Monday 20th March 2006
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It's a bit of a numbers game, in many ways. For example, a direct mail campaign:

1) Send out 5000 letters / flyers

2) 0.5% enquiry rate = 25 enquiries

3) A conversion rate of, say, 20% = 5 clients

4) A client retention of, say, 80% over three years, so 4 out of 5 are still clients in three years.

5) The average client spend over three years = £X

6) £X minus direct costs = contribution towards overheads (including sales costs).

If you stuff some 'real' numbers into the above and do the sums it should give you an idea of the financial viability of the marketing campaign. If you don't know the numbers, and it's amazing how many don't know, for example, the conversion rate, then I'd question how well you measure and control your business.

turbobloke

104,030 posts

261 months

Monday 20th March 2006
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Adverts in trade or professional journals seem to be a no-no for me, though I do occasionally put some hard-earned there to keep visibility up and nod to the 'repetition means reputation' doggerel.

Website generates OK business, word of mouth is free enough, flyers see a slightly higher hit-rate than srebbe64, and yes a good stock of solid repeat customers is great.

To take the thread on a slightly different direction, something I do each year that often leads to the bulk of my marketing spend is to do a "total audit" of me and my businesses to generate ideas for ten potential new revenue streams. Some may be related to existing business activity and some may not. Of the ten, about 6 or 7 aren't viable now (may be so later) or prove less attrative - this after more detailed analysis. Of the remaining three or so, one usually comes up with the goods and helps promote long-term profitability through diversification that's built on a solid existing personal strength or business platform.

semprini27

200 posts

225 months

Tuesday 21st March 2006
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How you approach marketing depends on so many variables as to be open ended - are you marketing a new company/product/service (in which case marketing spend would be a much higher investment than for a "normal" campaign for existing products to existing customers); are you targeting a specific segment or trying to catch-all; are you trying to retain exisitng customers or attract new ones....the list is endless.

leftie

11,800 posts

236 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2006
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My marketing budget last year was £22. My account told me not to bother him with such things as it confused the accounts and intrigued the revenue!

flyingjase

3,067 posts

232 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2006
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My marketing budget has been £0 for the last 2 years - purely word and month and grown the business turnover by 400%

This year I'm budgeting £10k but that is mainly for branding advice.

Red V8

873 posts

228 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2006
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sb-1... had a look at your we site and I'd recon a more targeted marketing approach might be most effective, which you probably do already.

vex

5,256 posts

247 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2006
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We have been building our database of clients and possible clients and since November sending out mail shots just to raise the profile of the company and our products.

The reason being is that most of our clients used to only buy one product range from us. Since the start of the campaign we have had about 30 odd new customers from a base of 300 odd. More being added each week.

To me it is well worth the design time, printing on our printer and postage.

covunimotorsport

53 posts

219 months

Thursday 23rd March 2006
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Have you thought about a form of sponsorship? This can be an excellent way of reaching people in an inobtrusive way and connect with people on an emotional level. If you fancy it, feel free to sponsor my universities Formula Student team

www.covunimotorsport.co.uk

Broccers

3,236 posts

254 months

Thursday 23rd March 2006
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vex said:
To me it is well worth the design time, printing on our printer and postage.


Makes me cry when people do their own mailshots 'in-house'.

A little more spent on image will increase your results.

srebbe64

13,021 posts

238 months

Thursday 23rd March 2006
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Broccers said:
vex said:
To me it is well worth the design time, printing on our printer and postage.


Makes me cry when people do their own mailshots 'in-house'.

A little more spent on image will increase your results.

I wouldn't cry over it!

plasticpig

12,932 posts

226 months

Thursday 23rd March 2006
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We have allocated all our budget to email and telesales marketing. Marketing spend per qualified lead is currently running at around £50 per lead generated.

Broccers

3,236 posts

254 months

Thursday 23rd March 2006
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srebbe64 said:
I wouldn't cry over it!


I do get a tad emotional at times - like when I opened the communication from the Royal Mail this morning. Have you seen their new prices ? About time there was another option for mailings.

srebbe64

13,021 posts

238 months

Thursday 23rd March 2006
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plasticpig said:
We have allocated all our budget to email and telesales marketing. Marketing spend per qualified lead is currently running at around £50 per lead generated.


We sell businesses and our sales cost per enquiry (an initial meeting) is about £2000 and our sales cost to generate an offer is about £8000. It focuses the mind somewhat that when you're holding a letter in your hand from a company offering to pay XXX for a business, as it cost £8k - and that excludes the cost of preparing the company for sale and other bits and bobs. Typically we'll generate 4 offers and accept one of them - so that's £32k to get one accepted offer. Than we have due-diligence etc.. etc.. etc.. I always find it helpful (and sobering) to analyse such things using cash as the point of reference.

plasticpig

12,932 posts

226 months

Thursday 23rd March 2006
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srebbe64 said:

We sell businesses and our sales cost per enquiry (an initial meeting) is about £2000 and our sales cost to generate an offer is about £8000. It focuses the mind somewhat that when you're holding a letter in your hand from a company offering to pay XXX for a business, as it cost £8k - and that excludes the cost of preparing the company for sale and other bits and bobs. Typically we'll generate 4 offers and accept one of them - so that's £32k to get one accepted offer. Than we have due-diligence etc.. etc.. etc.. I always find it helpful (and sobering) to analyse such things using cash as the point of reference.


Intresting, do you work on a flat fee or commission basis or a mixture of both? I must admit that my figure does not factor in overheads but is just the outsourcing cost of the marketing. Factoring in overheads would be possible to do but in itslef would consume too much overhead to be worthwhile.