Cheshire Speed Trap? Ist Legal?

[WildCat]

This story come courtesy of pal of Mad Doc's sister. She live in outskirt of Culcheth - Warrington. She drive to work today through village called Glazebrook. She come out of 60 mph into 30 mph - und just before the station und before the village - she see a cop.. in what look to be a driveway - but ist really the lead-in to a field..

He has mobile doo-dah on tripod. She ist OK - she think - she say she was in line of traffic und all cars at speed of 34 mph per her RA - which sound no alert...

She ask some questions about this.. it seem this guy hide in field und do long range from tiem to time as well .. und his fave perch ist in the NSL where this road cross the M62. - und where he cop M62 drivers as well no doubt .. I am afraid I do not know the A road number - only that it link thE A572? - cannot remember ... (ist the one which go past Risley Remand)_ to the A57 und the toll bridge und M6 Thelwall ...

It seems ist a right revenue raiser. To all who travel in this area - be careful

[pwig]

and again in English?

[deeps]

I think they're all legal, the rules are only guidelines aren't they?

The worst trap I've seen is on the M4. Just as you're leaving South Wales on the approach to the Severn Bridge, Police regularly hide on a private slip road leading to a factory on your left. There from behind the bushes they shoot their laser at traffic, completely unseen.
Knowing the Welsh, they NIP every car exceeding 79. The takings must be astronomical per day.

[WildCat]

pwig said:

and again in English?

Ach Liebchen..

If I use spell check .. take forever. I have problem for as long as can remember with 2 words .. ist how I say them....it go to my fingers...

Mama - English .. but from Yorkshire. Papa - Appenzeller ... amateur rally driver... I spend more time with my Papa..

I think in German first.. working with Germans over latest trials..speaking only in German to youngestgkittens to encourage bi-lingual thoughts.. it mean my L1 dominate me.

[streaky]

WildCat said:

[ ... ] She come out of 60 mph into 30 mph

I thought a maximum change of only 20 mph was allowed in one step (DVD or FiF will surely put me right) - Streaky

[WildCat]

streaky said:

WildCat said: [ ... ] She come out of 60 mph into 30 mph I thought a maximum change of only 20 mph was allowed in one step (DVD or FiF will surely put me right) - Streaky

Ist definitely NSL up to the village where it change to immediate 30 mph.

Chatted to the person who give us this information last night on phone. She say that there were no warning signs nor any cam rectangles anywhere.

Ist certainly not per any of the guidelines they Cheshire Prats claim to adhere to.. on their site ..

She called in village Post Office und was told that the cop gets 4 per minute as they enter into the 30 mph from the 60 mph zone .. und many many more further up in the NSL where it passes over the M62 - ist the bridge before the M62 meet M6 at Warrington.

So - for all who travel in this area .. ist posted so you are careful und vigilant here ...

[twister]

streaky said:

I thought a maximum change of only 20 mph was allowed in one step

I thought I'd read that fairly recently, but thinking about it there are so many instances of rural NSL s/c's dropping straight to 30 on the approach to a village, that if there is any restriction on limit changes, it must surely be at least a 30mph drop. Which would also take into account the various 70-40 drops I'm aware of on d/c's - can't think of any 70-30 drops though... anyone???

[dickymint]

deeps said:

Knowing the Welsh, they NIP every car exceeding 79. The takings must be astronomical per day.

It's because the English get all the bridge toll money

[Dwight VanDriver]

streaky said:

WildCat said: [ ... ] She come out of 60 mph into 30 mph I thought a maximum change of only 20 mph was allowed in one step (DVD or FiF will surely put me right) - Streaky

Advice from DoT to La's in Cir Roads 1/93 was that it may be exceptionally appropriate to use a short legth of 40mph or 50mph as a 'buffer' transition between a length of road subject to a NSL and another length on which a lower limit is in force, e.g. on the outskirts of towns with adjoining intermittent development. The use of such transitionary limits should however be restricted to sections of road where immediate speed reduction causes difficulty. A 'countdown' system of successive short lengths of road with mandatory limits at gradually dereasing speeds is to be avoided as they cannot be enforced

It would appear my town is exceptionally appropriate as at all entrances from NSL it goes to a buffer 40 and then 30 bua.

dvd

[vonhosen]

twister said:

[ can't think of any 70-30 drops though... anyone???

M1 South J2, 30 on slip road then into a 50 on A1 South.

[oe_cosgrove]

vonhosen said:

twister said: [ can't think of any 70-30 drops though... anyone??? M1 South J2, 30 on slip road then into a 50 on A1 South.

M62 Eastbound Milnrow sliproad 70-30.

[8Pack]

Wildy, I drive this road from time to time. It's the A574 from Warrington....north, to Leigh....

Like you say: watch out anyone on this road, it's a cash cow!.... and once they target it, they can stay on it for weeks!

Like many other roads of this type......the crackdown has more to do with WHO lives along it than the actual danger or the accident record (never seen one).

Not sure where near Culcheth you mean Wildy, is that south, or north of Culcheth?...(although BOTH are targeted!)


P.S. I was shown a copy (some time ago) of the parish magazine, in which they were asking for volunteers for vigilante hair dryer duty!...... Maybe it has come to pass?

[streaky]

Dwight VanDriver said:

streaky said: WildCat said: [ ... ] She come out of 60 mph into 30 mph I thought a maximum change of only 20 mph was allowed in one step (DVD or FiF will surely put me right) - Streaky Advice from DoT to La's in Cir Roads 1/93 was that it may be exceptionally appropriate to use a short legth of 40mph or 50mph as a 'buffer' transition between a length of road subject to a NSL and another length on which a lower limit is in force, e.g. on the outskirts of towns with adjoining intermittent development. The use of such transitionary limits should however be restricted to sections of road where immediate speed reduction causes difficulty. A 'countdown' system of successive short lengths of road with mandatory limits at gradually dereasing speeds is to be avoided as they cannot be enforced It would appear my town is exceptionally appropriate as at all entrances from NSL it goes to a buffer 40 and then 30 bua. dvd

DVD - many thx. A fount of knowledge as ever. Interesting that the reason for the step-down being "exceptional" is the difficulty of enforcement ... whereas the requirment can be argued for safety reasons - Streaky

[WildCat]

We hear the A574 has a new Gatso. Ist past the George und Dragon pub und directly opposite a bargain store on the right - Glazebury?

Apparently ist sited in such a position - partially in field und behind a tree in foliage. You do not see apparently until last minute. There ist reportedly a worn out 30 mph circle at the site und brand new Gatso lines...
Why not titivate the on-road surface lolly at same time?

There are also NO little rectangles to warn of the trap either.

So - 8 pack Liebchen und others who might use this road .. take care here...

[Peter Ward]

streaky said:

WildCat said: [ ... ] She come out of 60 mph into 30 mph I thought a maximum change of only 20 mph was allowed in one step (DVD or FiF will surely put me right) - Streaky

On the A147 (or is it A148?) in north Norfolk there's a few villages where the limit goes from NSL straight down to 20, and then back up again. I tend to feel that's a big step down but there are some very narrow roads through some of those villages and a 20 limit is appropriate.

Or rather, a low speed is appropriate but generally drivers now drive to the limit rather than being thoughtful, because the message from government is that the speed limit is inherently safe.

[Nick_F]

Dwight VanDriver said:

streaky said: WildCat said: [ ... ] She come out of 60 mph into 30 mph I thought a maximum change of only 20 mph was allowed in one step (DVD or FiF will surely put me right) - Streaky Advice from DoT to La's in Cir Roads 1/93 was that it may be exceptionally appropriate to use a short legth of 40mph or 50mph as a 'buffer' transition between a length of road subject to a NSL and another length on which a lower limit is in force, e.g. on the outskirts of towns with adjoining intermittent development. The use of such transitionary limits should however be restricted to sections of road where immediate speed reduction causes difficulty. A 'countdown' system of successive short lengths of road with mandatory limits at gradually dereasing speeds is to be avoided as they cannot be enforced It would appear my town is exceptionally appropriate as at all entrances from NSL it goes to a buffer 40 and then 30 bua. dvd

It would appear that most of Somerset and Dorset are also exceptionally appropriate - as a matter of policy?

[rodney59]

I can name a place that the speed limit went from 60mph to 20mph. Only recently they have added a 500 yard 30mph in the 60mph. Its widely ignored though as its a crazy speed limit. The 20mph is far from crazy though! (given the width and village nature of the road).