USB Bandwidth

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UncleDave

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7,155 posts

232 months

Saturday 15th April 2006
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USB Bandwidth errors have started showing up now when I try and use too many USB devices along with the USB Modem. Tried using my webcam to test this further and seems I can't even use the webcam whilst the modem is plugged in!

Web on, no cam.
Cam on, no web.

Any way round this other than just buying another PCI USB2.0 card?
(There is some system reserved bandwidth, what is that for, if that can be removed it would (should) be ok..)

Dave.

tinman0

18,231 posts

241 months

Saturday 15th April 2006
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how many devices have got hanging off the usb at the moment?

UncleDave

Original Poster:

7,155 posts

232 months

Saturday 15th April 2006
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5 atm.. Modem, Mouse, Steering Wheel + Shifter, Webcam.

If I unplug them all and leave just the mouse and modem, there still won't be enough for the cam.
The cam wants to take about 70% bandwidth!

Dave.

Andy Mac

73,668 posts

256 months

Saturday 15th April 2006
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So don't use the webcam...

UncleDave

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232 months

Saturday 15th April 2006
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Makes sense I suppose..

roadsweeper

3,786 posts

275 months

Saturday 15th April 2006
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UncleDave said:
The cam wants to take about 70% bandwidth!

70% of USB2.0 bandwidth is a hell of a lot surely?! Are you sure you're not running a USB1.1 motherboard or hub?

UncleDave

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Saturday 15th April 2006
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roadsweeper said:
UncleDave said:
The cam wants to take about 70% bandwidth!

70% of USB2.0 bandwidth is a hell of a lot surely?! Are you sure you're not running a USB1.1 motherboard or hub?


Nope! USB2
I've just ordered a new PCI USB 2.0 card from eBay so that should solve it. I could do with a few more ports anyway...

Dave.

roadsweeper

3,786 posts

275 months

Saturday 15th April 2006
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Good luck with it, it certainly sounds like something is wrong rather than it just being a case of, "That's how it is!" if you know what I mean? I have comfortably run two 300GB USB2.0 HDDs on my system along with a 40GB USB2.0 HDD, USB keyboard and mouse, iPOD, external DVD writer and phone cradle without any problems. I'm using a Dell laptop with a port replicator, Belkin 7-port USB2.0 hub and a Dell monitor with 3 additional USB connections so I can't see how you're having a problem without something being faulty.

UncleDave

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232 months

Saturday 15th April 2006
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My guess is the cam is bad... it's getting on a bit, could be that the cam is USB 1.0?

Anyway, ordered now so should have no problems!

Dave.

thepassenger

6,962 posts

236 months

Saturday 15th April 2006
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Possibly a 1.1/1.0 USB camera and your hub is a cheapy one that can't handle having all those 2.0 devices plugged in and the 1.0 at the sametime; gets horribly confused and drops the bandwidth.

I remeber something appearing on Tom's Hardware a while ago about the various issues surrounding USB hubs and AFIK TTS units in them.

The new PCI card should sort the problem though

UncleDave

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7,155 posts

232 months

Saturday 15th April 2006
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Yep, I would have thought the USBs on the Mobo wouldn't be the problem though... Quite a decent board, unlike my old one

As I say I was in need of a new PCI USB card anyway, this just gives me a better excuse to buy one - Might get a newer USB2 webcam from eBay too.. along with digital camera, the fact that it needs sellotape on it to function is getting annoying

Thanks for the advice/info.
Dave.

UncleDave

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7,155 posts

232 months

Wednesday 19th April 2006
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Everything fine now, bought a USB2 PCI Card from eBay.. chucked it in and Webcam is fine along with other devices in that card.

Only problem is I need more screws so the card is 'hanging loose' for a while. Back to eBay again for me!

mattley

3,025 posts

223 months

Wednesday 19th April 2006
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UncleDave said:

Only problem is I need more screws so the card is 'hanging loose' for a while. Back to eBay again for me!


What standards case screws? Sod eBay for that, PM me your address, I'll post you a few.

scorp

8,783 posts

230 months

Wednesday 19th April 2006
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Cameras use something called isochronous transfer which means has top priority to the bandwidth of the bus to gaurantee low latency, 70% of 480mbps sounds somewhat high for a camera though, have you tried lowering its capture resolution?

UncleDave

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232 months

Wednesday 19th April 2006
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mattley said:
UncleDave said:

Only problem is I need more screws so the card is 'hanging loose' for a while. Back to eBay again for me!


What standards case screws? Sod eBay for that, PM me your address, I'll post you a few.


DOH!
Too late

UncleDave

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7,155 posts

232 months

Wednesday 19th April 2006
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scorp said:
Cameras use something called isochronous transfer which means has top priority to the bandwidth of the bus to gaurantee low latency, 70% of 480mbps sounds somewhat high for a camera though, have you tried lowering its capture resolution?


It'll do me fine for now, as long as it's working OK on the new card, I am fine until I buy a new camera

annodomini2

6,874 posts

252 months

Thursday 20th April 2006
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The other real problem is that USB doesn't handle changes in the direction of data well so if you have a constant input device e.g. the camera and then a constant output device e.g. printer and both are on the same port then to handle the data flow the bus is constantly having to switch directions which kills the bandwidth.