RE: Miura edges towards production
Thursday 13th July 2006
Lamborghini Miura concept at GoodwoodIs Lamborghini committed to building the Miura concept?
Miura edges towards production
Hints that the concept will be built
Lamborghini Miura concept at Goodwood
Officially it hasn't said so, although heavy hints have suggested it will. And now, according to one story by a reliable source, comes more information suggesting the company will turn the Miura concept car into a limited edition range-topper as its answer to the Ferrari Enzo.
It'll be based on parent company Audi's Le Mans coupé, so it'll be mid-engined but lower, shorter and wider. Propelling it will be an uprated version of Lamborghini's 6.2-litre V12 bored out to 6.5-litres. Power will rise to 700bhp and torque to 553lb-ft, driving through all four wheels.
It might appear early in 2007 and the price is likely to be £200,000-plus. Only some 300-400 units will be made.
Can't wait...
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I don't really agree with this move. Making it a limited run special edition would make sense for the retro-loving collectors. But to make it their flagship car? It's not even that pretty!
Sure, it worked for Ford because they have made precious little else since the GT40 that was fast or handsome, and have revived it as a result. But Lambo have been making beautiful cars for decades, so why go back to an old car for their inspiration - especially when they have come up with a couple of asolute crackers for their most recent models?
Sure, it worked for Ford because they have made precious little else since the GT40 that was fast or handsome, and have revived it as a result. But Lambo have been making beautiful cars for decades, so why go back to an old car for their inspiration - especially when they have come up with a couple of asolute crackers for their most recent models?
Edited by Bada Bing! on Thursday 13th July 10:20
can't wait...? count me in too when its gona look like the car/pictures they showed its a realy beautifull car to own or if you can't look and wonder...
With 700 horses it will be fast too...but then it has to be keeping the name up high!
The lambo Miura is one of the first ever Supercars...so it better be good and I think they know that at audi...and it better be not to heavy!
GTRene
With 700 horses it will be fast too...but then it has to be keeping the name up high!
The lambo Miura is one of the first ever Supercars...so it better be good and I think they know that at audi...and it better be not to heavy!
GTRene
I really like it as it is now though.
Yes Lamorghini have made some cracking modern cars, but this new Miura really stands apart from the current range and brand image, and is retro modern in the same way the MINI is, rather than the almost clone look of the GT40.
In my view this Miura looks fresh and new next to the old Miura, just taking the most important curves and styling cues across!
Just not sure on that A pillar and how it meets the roof... not sure what is wrong but it doesn't look right.
Then bung in the W12 TT engine from the Bentley Conti GT with some silly exhausts, driving the rear wheels only via a 6 spd manual! Big GT bruiser like the Ford GT! Just doesn't look like a 700bhp 4wd relatively revvy NA engine type car to me...
Dave
Yes Lamorghini have made some cracking modern cars, but this new Miura really stands apart from the current range and brand image, and is retro modern in the same way the MINI is, rather than the almost clone look of the GT40.
In my view this Miura looks fresh and new next to the old Miura, just taking the most important curves and styling cues across!
Just not sure on that A pillar and how it meets the roof... not sure what is wrong but it doesn't look right.
Then bung in the W12 TT engine from the Bentley Conti GT with some silly exhausts, driving the rear wheels only via a 6 spd manual! Big GT bruiser like the Ford GT! Just doesn't look like a 700bhp 4wd relatively revvy NA engine type car to me...
Dave
Will there be a Jota? 
Why ???!!
Ask Marcello Gandini what he thinks of this car, and his answer is " WHERE IS THE IDEA"?, this car make no sense whatsoever today, it did in the 60's but today it's just a
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But let's talk of a real lamborghini, take the Gallardo Chassis and create a new LAMBORGHINI BRAVO concept car, or something futuristic not this stuff.......Get Bertone again and have them do a new body!!
Ask Marcello Gandini what he thinks of this car, and his answer is " WHERE IS THE IDEA"?, this car make no sense whatsoever today, it did in the 60's but today it's just a
, But let's talk of a real lamborghini, take the Gallardo Chassis and create a new LAMBORGHINI BRAVO concept car, or something futuristic not this stuff.......Get Bertone again and have them do a new body!!
GTRene said:
can't wait...? count me in too when its gona look like the car/pictures they showed its a realy beautifull car to own or if you can't look and wonder...
With 700 horses it will be fast too...but then it has to be keeping the name up high!
The lambo Miura is one of the first ever Supercars...so it better be good and I think they know that at audi...and it better be not to heavy!
GTRene
With 700 horses it will be fast too...but then it has to be keeping the name up high!
The lambo Miura is one of the first ever Supercars...so it better be good and I think they know that at audi...and it better be not to heavy!
GTRene
Dont worry, I'm sure it will only be about 2000kgs
700bhp sounds a bit limp though, they should really be chasing the Veyron with 100bhp, oh wait I guess that wont happen since they are owned by Audi who are owned by VW who own Bugatti who happen to make the Veyron
If they hold their nerve and make just a handful as a collector car or anniversary type special it might work.
Really though, I'd rather see some road version of the Mucielago GT-R
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fuoriserie said:
Ask Marcello Gandini what he thinks of this car, and his answer is " WHERE IS THE IDEA"?, this car make no sense whatsoever today, it did in the 60's but today it's just a
But thats the thing, it's far enough seperated from the old one that it could be seen as a new car. The new MINI has been a huge success and infact is essentially a new car with retro hints and details.
The Miura is a timeless shape, this new car is just using those timeless shapes and curves for a modern car. I see no problem with that at all personally. The Diablo > Murcielago you see the same styling so why not take hints from the old Miura?
I agree "Where is the idea?" but Lamborghini continue to innovate in styling enough to look fresh. Had the old Miura never been made I'd still be gasping at the beautiful lines, shape and proportions of this new car. Surely thats all it needs to do? It makes tons of sense to me today
Needs to be CF though, expensive as to generate lots of exclusivity, with the LP640 engine and rear wheel drive.
Can't help but think a nicely tuned and exhausted W12 TT would be a more suitable engine though?! Am I missing the point of the Miura though? Should it even be reproduced in the same ethos knowing it'll never recreate that magic of the original?
Dave
Edited by Mr Whippy on Thursday 13th July 11:21
There aren't half some not fully baked theories flying about... the new Muira based on the Audi R8 "Le Mans" coupe? Which IIRC is based on a Gallardo... pure cack. And clearly poorly researched.
Lamborghini does not need the halo model that Ford did with the GT. And the last thing VW needs is another money burning supercar on which they lose money on every one. Can't see it being made, but I guess while they refuse to deny it and roll it out at motorshows it drives a bit of traffic past the Gallardo and Murcielago.
Mr Whippy said:
[quote=fuoriserie]
I agree "Where is the idea?" but Lamborghini continue to innovate in styling enough to look fresh. Had the old Miura never been made I'd still be gasping at the beautiful lines, shape and proportions of this new car. Surely thats all it needs to do? It makes tons of sense to me today
Dave
I agree "Where is the idea?" but Lamborghini continue to innovate in styling enough to look fresh. Had the old Miura never been made I'd still be gasping at the beautiful lines, shape and proportions of this new car. Surely thats all it needs to do? It makes tons of sense to me today
Dave
To me it says " take the rich to the cleaners and let's see how stupid they are!!", but that is ok, I don't have a problem with that, but let's not fool ourselves, Lamborghini needed a show stopper and they tried with the new Miura, unfortunately it bombed...
Now they might have found a few rich along the way, who wanted this car for their private collection, but need a few more rich fools, to make the numbers add up for a limited production.
Sorry, but i don't like Marketing getting into the way......and if it happens this is what you get, but not my money!, but if this is the new era headed by Audi to make money, more power to them......
Wake up and" smell the coffee, this is one of the worse and revolting car design scams, they are as close they can get without executing design plagiarism , in comparison the Ford Gt was "Alice in Wonderland......
Walter Da Silva is a better designer than this.....
Edited by fuoriserie on Thursday 13th July 11:35
It's a fact that many traditional Lambo buyers (new Countach, new Diablo, multiple/serial owners) haven't bought into the Murcielago which, strictly speaking, is the descendant of the Miura anyway. When Lamborghini held a pre-launch 'clinic' on the Murci with long-standing customers, the unanimous reaction was "no thanks". To their amazement, the Murci was launched virtually unchanged.
The Gallardo has been a huge success in terms of numbers sold, and it's all conquest business. The Murcielago has generally had to win "new" customers too. The "real" - or traditional - Lambo punter is a rare individual.
A 'new Miura' that's a bit of an animal, with exclusivity assured by production numbers and price tag, may tempt these people away from the road to Pagani etc.. If you've got £200K to blow on a toy, you've got £300K or more. Special Diablos were bought at knocking on the door of £200K 20 years ago. The Audi-ising of Lambos is what opened the door to Pagani, Koenigsegg, Edonis et al. Trad Lambo customers are somewhat disappointed by the 'lack of possibilities' with the new models.
The "new Miura" needs to be mad and rare to succeed.
The Gallardo has been a huge success in terms of numbers sold, and it's all conquest business. The Murcielago has generally had to win "new" customers too. The "real" - or traditional - Lambo punter is a rare individual.
A 'new Miura' that's a bit of an animal, with exclusivity assured by production numbers and price tag, may tempt these people away from the road to Pagani etc.. If you've got £200K to blow on a toy, you've got £300K or more. Special Diablos were bought at knocking on the door of £200K 20 years ago. The Audi-ising of Lambos is what opened the door to Pagani, Koenigsegg, Edonis et al. Trad Lambo customers are somewhat disappointed by the 'lack of possibilities' with the new models.
The "new Miura" needs to be mad and rare to succeed.
As pretty as it is, it doesnt have the aerodynamics to compete against cars like the Enzo and Zonda. Where will the downforce come from? The original Miura had a problem with front end lift, hence the little chin spoiler on the Jota and SV. If this thing has 700bhp and a 200+mph top end then they will have to lower that nose a little more i would have thought.
On top of that they expect to make a loss on each unit if they did produce it. Great styling excercise but thats all folks.
Why dont VW build the new miura on a more affordable 300bhp platform, ie a VW v6 or audi v8? Badge it as a lambo, sell it in the price bracket just above the TT to compete with TVR, M3 etc then surely everyone who once dreamed of real miura ownership would be knocking down the gates to the VW factory. Keep it simple and cheap to make, sell the dream of reliable lambo ownership to middle management man.
On top of that they expect to make a loss on each unit if they did produce it. Great styling excercise but thats all folks.
Why dont VW build the new miura on a more affordable 300bhp platform, ie a VW v6 or audi v8? Badge it as a lambo, sell it in the price bracket just above the TT to compete with TVR, M3 etc then surely everyone who once dreamed of real miura ownership would be knocking down the gates to the VW factory. Keep it simple and cheap to make, sell the dream of reliable lambo ownership to middle management man.
The new Miura looks pretty good to me, a new millennium take on an old friend. There's enough design cues for anyone who knows anything at all about cars to know its a Miura (very much in the MINI vein), yet the design itself is fresh and exciting. I'll probably never have the money for one, but it's lottery win dream material.
First diesel supercar? Would that be mad enough?
First diesel supercar? Would that be mad enough?
I can't see the point of putting a new Muira into production.
Lambo's direction should always be to look ahead including having styling which does the same. The original was, and still is in my opinion, a beautiful machine but was of it's time and at that time moved things forward. The "new" looks overblown and heavy by comparison, almost a parady. When I saw it at Goodwood it reminded me of an American muscle car rather than a waspish Italian.
Move on Lambo, give us the next defining supercar not a retro marketting ploy.
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