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Spotted an X50 TT for sale which has had a DMS remap to 520bhp. Done about 7,000 miles. Two questions:
What is this likely to do to driveability? Had a GT2 before and wonder how it might compare. Anyone got experience of this sort of upgrade?
Is this upgrade going to negate any possibility of getting an official Porsche warranty.
What is this likely to do to driveability? Had a GT2 before and wonder how it might compare. Anyone got experience of this sort of upgrade?
Is this upgrade going to negate any possibility of getting an official Porsche warranty.
JDH,
I looked at a black car down on the south coast just before I bought mine, the one you’re talking about sounds as though it might be the same one? Didn’t have Sat Nav iirc not that mine works or that I’d ever use it.
I drove it and have to confess that it really didn’t feel any different to my standard car although mine has now been to the charming Mr Fearns at Weltmesiter for their Bad Boy exhaust upgrade which asides from pissing the neighbours off has freed the car up a bit. The Fearnsmeister might be able to tell you a bit about the car in question.
Can’t compare mine to a 996 GT2 as I’ve not steered one but the poor old Audi salesman who let me drive both an RS4 and new S6 today must have thought serious ill of me when I described them both as feeling a bit gutless!
What I do know is that Porsche wouldn’t touch the DMS tuned car with their warranty when I enquired.
I like mine but won’t have her very long at all, so good in so many ways but I really miss my old 993.
I looked at a black car down on the south coast just before I bought mine, the one you’re talking about sounds as though it might be the same one? Didn’t have Sat Nav iirc not that mine works or that I’d ever use it.
I drove it and have to confess that it really didn’t feel any different to my standard car although mine has now been to the charming Mr Fearns at Weltmesiter for their Bad Boy exhaust upgrade which asides from pissing the neighbours off has freed the car up a bit. The Fearnsmeister might be able to tell you a bit about the car in question.
Can’t compare mine to a 996 GT2 as I’ve not steered one but the poor old Audi salesman who let me drive both an RS4 and new S6 today must have thought serious ill of me when I described them both as feeling a bit gutless!
What I do know is that Porsche wouldn’t touch the DMS tuned car with their warranty when I enquired.
I like mine but won’t have her very long at all, so good in so many ways but I really miss my old 993.
DMS will claim that Porsche would never know but wouldn't fancy your chances if the engine blew and you put in a warranty claim. Any other issue doubt their diagnostics would pick anything up and 520 won't feel so different on a quick test spin they might do.
Alternatively if the car is otherwise fine, knock a few quid off and get DMS to remap back to std and clear any evidence of their remap
Alternatively if the car is otherwise fine, knock a few quid off and get DMS to remap back to std and clear any evidence of their remap
Edited by adam b on Wednesday 26th July 00:49
jdh1 said:
Spotted an X50 TT for sale which has had a DMS remap to 520bhp. Done about 7,000 miles. Two questions:
What is this likely to do to driveability? Had a GT2 before and wonder how it might compare. Anyone got experience of this sort of upgrade?
Is this upgrade going to negate any possibility of getting an official Porsche warranty.
The DMs upgrade doesnt affect the driveability of the car at all in normal use..the difference between a standard tt and a upgraded car is quite a lot...as people on this forum have often said the tt can be too easy to drive quick and therefore boring(not imo of course),however once the car has been upgraded you finally have to treat it with respect as the power delivery is much faster,it revs quicker and further and is noticeably more eager.A ex GT2 owning mate of mine drove a DMS upgraded tt and was shocked at how quick the modified tt felt...he previously had the opinion that a standard tt was a bit tame...Exhaust and induction noise appears to be more after the upgrade as well..not sure why that is? What is this likely to do to driveability? Had a GT2 before and wonder how it might compare. Anyone got experience of this sort of upgrade?
Is this upgrade going to negate any possibility of getting an official Porsche warranty.
kayc said:
jdh1 said:
Spotted an X50 TT for sale which has had a DMS remap to 520bhp. Done about 7,000 miles. Two questions:
What is this likely to do to driveability? Had a GT2 before and wonder how it might compare. Anyone got experience of this sort of upgrade?
Is this upgrade going to negate any possibility of getting an official Porsche warranty.
The DMs upgrade doesnt affect the driveability of the car at all in normal use..the difference between a standard tt and a upgraded car is quite a lot...as people on this forum have often said the tt can be too easy to drive quick and therefore boring(not imo of course),however once the car has been upgraded you finally have to treat it with respect as the power delivery is much faster,it revs quicker and further and is noticeably more eager.A ex GT2 owning mate of mine drove a DMS upgraded tt and was shocked at how quick the modified tt felt...he previously had the opinion that a standard tt was a bit tame...Exhaust and induction noise appears to be more after the upgrade as well..not sure why that is? What is this likely to do to driveability? Had a GT2 before and wonder how it might compare. Anyone got experience of this sort of upgrade?
Is this upgrade going to negate any possibility of getting an official Porsche warranty.
Timing, fuel and boost changes?
silver993tt said:
kayc said:
jdh1 said:
Spotted an X50 TT for sale which has had a DMS remap to 520bhp. Done about 7,000 miles. Two questions:
What is this likely to do to driveability? Had a GT2 before and wonder how it might compare. Anyone got experience of this sort of upgrade?
Is this upgrade going to negate any possibility of getting an official Porsche warranty.
The DMs upgrade doesnt affect the driveability of the car at all in normal use..the difference between a standard tt and a upgraded car is quite a lot...as people on this forum have often said the tt can be too easy to drive quick and therefore boring(not imo of course),however once the car has been upgraded you finally have to treat it with respect as the power delivery is much faster,it revs quicker and further and is noticeably more eager.A ex GT2 owning mate of mine drove a DMS upgraded tt and was shocked at how quick the modified tt felt...he previously had the opinion that a standard tt was a bit tame...Exhaust and induction noise appears to be more after the upgrade as well..not sure why that is? What is this likely to do to driveability? Had a GT2 before and wonder how it might compare. Anyone got experience of this sort of upgrade?
Is this upgrade going to negate any possibility of getting an official Porsche warranty.
Timing, fuel and boost changes?
Edited by kayc on Wednesday 26th July 07:52
porkernut said:
Just enquire what the cost of a new engine is?
Personally I wouldn't touch a modified TT with a bargepole,beyond a sports exhaust. The X-50 with sports exhaust is 475bhp & will sound fantastic, why would you want more than that!
Is that a qualified opinion or just an 'if its modified it has to blow up'opinion?There is nothing to suggest that a tt at 420bhp is running at its optimum and is probably being restricted at that level for emmission and noise regs as much as anything else.If modified cars are a no go there wouldnt be much second hand interest in gt3's at all.. Personally I wouldn't touch a modified TT with a bargepole,beyond a sports exhaust. The X-50 with sports exhaust is 475bhp & will sound fantastic, why would you want more than that!
Thanks for the replies. The car in question is also in the classifieds here I found last night.
It's pretty expensive for a regular tt, but I'm not sure what the added value of X50 upgrade is, and have no idea how much the DMS upgrade costs. Can anyone tell me?
I'm maybe thinking it could be a bit risky though - given that a proper warranty may not be an option.
It's pretty expensive for a regular tt, but I'm not sure what the added value of X50 upgrade is, and have no idea how much the DMS upgrade costs. Can anyone tell me?
I'm maybe thinking it could be a bit risky though - given that a proper warranty may not be an option.
Jdh1, same thoughts were going through my head. Been considering a used 996TT too and quite a few have been DMS'd. Main concern is warranty although as has been found by others, warranties often aren't all they are cracked up to be.
Anyway, when Porsche uprate the standard TT to X50 spec, they change quite few parts - new turbo, additional cooler, strenghened gearbox, etc - which have nothing to do with keeping it emissions compliant. What do DMS do when they mod a standard TT? Afaik, just map it for increased boost, presumably adjusting the fueling within that. No parts are uprated.
I prefer N/A engines anyway so the less lag the better and linear powerband is preferable to little then massive boost. I'm not even sure the X50 is a better all round drive than standard TT, though that's probably heresy to say round here. I;ve only driven the X50,and it felt quite laggy, so will wait to drive a standard TT to compare.
Anyway, when Porsche uprate the standard TT to X50 spec, they change quite few parts - new turbo, additional cooler, strenghened gearbox, etc - which have nothing to do with keeping it emissions compliant. What do DMS do when they mod a standard TT? Afaik, just map it for increased boost, presumably adjusting the fueling within that. No parts are uprated.
I prefer N/A engines anyway so the less lag the better and linear powerband is preferable to little then massive boost. I'm not even sure the X50 is a better all round drive than standard TT, though that's probably heresy to say round here. I;ve only driven the X50,and it felt quite laggy, so will wait to drive a standard TT to compare.
jdh1 said:
Thanks for the replies. The car in question is also in the classifieds here I found last night.
It's pretty expensive for a regular tt, but I'm not sure what the added value of X50 upgrade is, and have no idea how much the DMS upgrade costs. Can anyone tell me?
I'm maybe thinking it could be a bit risky though - given that a proper warranty may not be an option.
It's pretty expensive for a regular tt, but I'm not sure what the added value of X50 upgrade is, and have no idea how much the DMS upgrade costs. Can anyone tell me?
I'm maybe thinking it could be a bit risky though - given that a proper warranty may not be an option.
Wise man...get a standard X-50 it is still amazing, add that sports exhaust system for better sound, quicker turbo spool & an extra few horses & you will have an amazing car, that can be warranted 7 re-sold without worry!
jdh1 said:
Thanks for the replies. The car in question is also in the classifieds here I found last night.
It's pretty expensive for a regular tt, but I'm not sure what the added value of X50 upgrade is, and have no idea how much the DMS upgrade costs. Can anyone tell me?
I'm maybe thinking it could be a bit risky though - given that a proper warranty may not be an option.
Speak to Mike Cooper at DMS..they have done lots of tt conversions without problems(according to them of course)...i know a lot of people that have had DMS upgrades on 'normal' turbo cars without any problems and a big improvement on performance/torque etc.It's pretty expensive for a regular tt, but I'm not sure what the added value of X50 upgrade is, and have no idea how much the DMS upgrade costs. Can anyone tell me?
I'm maybe thinking it could be a bit risky though - given that a proper warranty may not be an option.
porkernut said:
jdh1 said:
Thanks for the replies. The car in question is also in the classifieds here I found last night.
It's pretty expensive for a regular tt, but I'm not sure what the added value of X50 upgrade is, and have no idea how much the DMS upgrade costs. Can anyone tell me?
I'm maybe thinking it could be a bit risky though - given that a proper warranty may not be an option.
It's pretty expensive for a regular tt, but I'm not sure what the added value of X50 upgrade is, and have no idea how much the DMS upgrade costs. Can anyone tell me?
I'm maybe thinking it could be a bit risky though - given that a proper warranty may not be an option.
Wise man...get a standard X-50 it is still amazing, add that sports exhaust system for better sound, quicker turbo spool & an extra few horses & you will have an amazing car, that can be warranted 7 re-sold without worry!
If I was in this happy position I'd be going for a standard unmolested X50 with the Porsche warranty. Why risk it for the sake of a couple of tenths to 100mph? Isn't an X50 fast enough for you? Are you Ayrton Senna?!
Vesuvius 996 said:
porkernut said:
jdh1 said:
Thanks for the replies. The car in question is also in the classifieds here I found last night.
It's pretty expensive for a regular tt, but I'm not sure what the added value of X50 upgrade is, and have no idea how much the DMS upgrade costs. Can anyone tell me?
I'm maybe thinking it could be a bit risky though - given that a proper warranty may not be an option.
It's pretty expensive for a regular tt, but I'm not sure what the added value of X50 upgrade is, and have no idea how much the DMS upgrade costs. Can anyone tell me?
I'm maybe thinking it could be a bit risky though - given that a proper warranty may not be an option.
Wise man...get a standard X-50 it is still amazing, add that sports exhaust system for better sound, quicker turbo spool & an extra few horses & you will have an amazing car, that can be warranted 7 re-sold without worry!
If I was in this happy position I'd be going for a standard unmolested X50 with the Porsche warranty. Why risk it for the sake of a couple of tenths to 100mph? Isn't an X50 fast enough for you? Are you Ayrton Senna?!
Jdh1 - I've had a GT2, and have had experience of a DMS'd tt. As standard, I thought the car quite tame, the same car after the DMS was much better. Boosting higher (1bar instead of 0.6). IMO an awesome (I hate that word too) road car. I still think the GT2 feels quicker, but not a lot in it. IIRC, I believe the DMS upgrade is around the £2k mark.
I've had a couple of my 'normal' cars done by them, and they are very good upgrades. As suggested, it's worth talking to Mike Coooper at DMS - they really do have a no quibble policy..... anyway, best of luck.
BTW 520bhp, for an X50 car is not alot more than a standard car with the remap.....
I've had a couple of my 'normal' cars done by them, and they are very good upgrades. As suggested, it's worth talking to Mike Coooper at DMS - they really do have a no quibble policy..... anyway, best of luck.
BTW 520bhp, for an X50 car is not alot more than a standard car with the remap.....
Vesuvius 996 said:
porkernut said:
jdh1 said:
Thanks for the replies. The car in question is also in the classifieds here I found last night.
It's pretty expensive for a regular tt, but I'm not sure what the added value of X50 upgrade is, and have no idea how much the DMS upgrade costs. Can anyone tell me?
I'm maybe thinking it could be a bit risky though - given that a proper warranty may not be an option.
It's pretty expensive for a regular tt, but I'm not sure what the added value of X50 upgrade is, and have no idea how much the DMS upgrade costs. Can anyone tell me?
I'm maybe thinking it could be a bit risky though - given that a proper warranty may not be an option.
Wise man...get a standard X-50 it is still amazing, add that sports exhaust system for better sound, quicker turbo spool & an extra few horses & you will have an amazing car, that can be warranted 7 re-sold without worry!
If I was in this happy position I'd be going for a standard unmolested X50 with the Porsche warranty. Why risk it for the sake of a couple of tenths to 100mph? Isn't an X50 fast enough for you? Are you Ayrton Senna?!
Seems sensible...especially in light of the warranty issue. A bit more power is always tempting though
jdh1 said:
It's pretty expensive for a regular tt, but I'm not sure what the added value of X50 upgrade is, and have no idea how much the DMS upgrade costs. Can anyone tell me?
my opinion the £9k X50 option is worth a max £2k at resale on anything 996 age - do not pay any premium for an afternarket remap that will put off more it will attract
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