TÜV-Report 2007
Discussion
The TÜV published his latest report about (technical) defects-quotas for cars registered in Germany. The procedure is similar to the MoT test, but is first conducted on cars that are three years in traffic, followed by cycles of two years.
The results show age - best car - worst car
3 yrs - Opel Meriva - Kia Carnival
5 yrs - Porsche 996 - Kia Carnival
7 yrs - Toyota RAV4 - Chrysler Voyager
9 yrs - Porsche Boxster - Renault Twingo
11 yrs - Porsche 993 - Renault Espace
Marques that occupy the first ten ranges of all five age groups:
Mercedes 12 placements
Toyota 10 placements
Porsche 8 placements
Mazda 7 placements
Subaru 4 placements
Audi 2 placements
Ford 2 placements
Honda 1 placement
Opel 1 placement
Volvo 1 placement
VW 1 placement
I interpret Porsche's range in that list higher than Toyota's and Mercedes' because they entered only a fraction of models in the last eleven years than of each of the first two marques.
The results show age - best car - worst car
3 yrs - Opel Meriva - Kia Carnival
5 yrs - Porsche 996 - Kia Carnival
7 yrs - Toyota RAV4 - Chrysler Voyager
9 yrs - Porsche Boxster - Renault Twingo
11 yrs - Porsche 993 - Renault Espace
Marques that occupy the first ten ranges of all five age groups:
Mercedes 12 placements
Toyota 10 placements
Porsche 8 placements
Mazda 7 placements
Subaru 4 placements
Audi 2 placements
Ford 2 placements
Honda 1 placement
Opel 1 placement
Volvo 1 placement
VW 1 placement
I interpret Porsche's range in that list higher than Toyota's and Mercedes' because they entered only a fraction of models in the last eleven years than of each of the first two marques.
Interesting but has to be interpreted really. If this classification is based on the number of faults found at MOTs, then the owners' attitudes to maintaining their vehicles and their annual mileages must come into it. E.g. generally I'd expect porkers to do lower annual mileages than more mundane "rep" type cars.
I've got German sources for this
www.spiegel.de/auto/werkstatt/0,1518,463207,00.html
www.spiegel.de/auto/aktuell/0,1518,463173,00.html
Good point about the influential factors. I'm sure that Porsches older than five or even ten years are better maintained than most or all other cars that are covered by these statistics. This need not be because of the attitude towards the car, but on its residuals as well, as €1k for a spare part on a 10 year old Porsche are a better investment than a €1k part for a Kia of the same age.
The TÜV does only investigate into the roadworthiness of a vehicle. These reports give no clues about the quality of the car, as it doesn't cover parts like trim or paint.
www.spiegel.de/auto/werkstatt/0,1518,463207,00.html
www.spiegel.de/auto/aktuell/0,1518,463173,00.html
Good point about the influential factors. I'm sure that Porsches older than five or even ten years are better maintained than most or all other cars that are covered by these statistics. This need not be because of the attitude towards the car, but on its residuals as well, as €1k for a spare part on a 10 year old Porsche are a better investment than a €1k part for a Kia of the same age.
The TÜV does only investigate into the roadworthiness of a vehicle. These reports give no clues about the quality of the car, as it doesn't cover parts like trim or paint.
Bodo said:
I've got German sources for this
www.spiegel.de/auto/werkstatt/0,1518,463207,00.html
www.spiegel.de/auto/aktuell/0,1518,463173,00.html
Good point about the influential factors. I'm sure that Porsches older than five or even ten years are better maintained than most or all other cars that are covered by these statistics. This need not be because of the attitude towards the car, but on its residuals as well, as €1k for a spare part on a 10 year old Porsche are a better investment than a €1k part for a Kia of the same age.
The TÜV does only investigate into the roadworthiness of a vehicle. These reports give no clues about the quality of the car, as it doesn't cover parts like trim or paint.
www.spiegel.de/auto/werkstatt/0,1518,463207,00.html
www.spiegel.de/auto/aktuell/0,1518,463173,00.html
Good point about the influential factors. I'm sure that Porsches older than five or even ten years are better maintained than most or all other cars that are covered by these statistics. This need not be because of the attitude towards the car, but on its residuals as well, as €1k for a spare part on a 10 year old Porsche are a better investment than a €1k part for a Kia of the same age.
The TÜV does only investigate into the roadworthiness of a vehicle. These reports give no clues about the quality of the car, as it doesn't cover parts like trim or paint.
Good stuff, thanks a lot - just digging through it all over lunch. Nice to see the Spiegel can keep up with the Sun when it comes to sensationalist headlines!
2something said:
Bodo said:
I've got German sources for this
www.spiegel.de/auto/werkstatt/0,1518,463207,00.html
www.spiegel.de/auto/aktuell/0,1518,463173,00.html
Good point about the influential factors. I'm sure that Porsches older than five or even ten years are better maintained than most or all other cars that are covered by these statistics. This need not be because of the attitude towards the car, but on its residuals as well, as €1k for a spare part on a 10 year old Porsche are a better investment than a €1k part for a Kia of the same age.
The TÜV does only investigate into the roadworthiness of a vehicle. These reports give no clues about the quality of the car, as it doesn't cover parts like trim or paint.
www.spiegel.de/auto/werkstatt/0,1518,463207,00.html
www.spiegel.de/auto/aktuell/0,1518,463173,00.html
Good point about the influential factors. I'm sure that Porsches older than five or even ten years are better maintained than most or all other cars that are covered by these statistics. This need not be because of the attitude towards the car, but on its residuals as well, as €1k for a spare part on a 10 year old Porsche are a better investment than a €1k part for a Kia of the same age.
The TÜV does only investigate into the roadworthiness of a vehicle. These reports give no clues about the quality of the car, as it doesn't cover parts like trim or paint.
Good stuff, thanks a lot - just digging through it all over lunch. Nice to see the Spiegel can keep up with the Sun when it comes to sensationalist headlines!
Spiegel has an English section as well: www.spiegel.de/international/
- but Bild is closer to the Sun
Bodo said:
2something said:
Bodo said:
I've got German sources for this
www.spiegel.de/auto/werkstatt/0,1518,463207,00.html
www.spiegel.de/auto/aktuell/0,1518,463173,00.html
Good point about the influential factors. I'm sure that Porsches older than five or even ten years are better maintained than most or all other cars that are covered by these statistics. This need not be because of the attitude towards the car, but on its residuals as well, as €1k for a spare part on a 10 year old Porsche are a better investment than a €1k part for a Kia of the same age.
The TÜV does only investigate into the roadworthiness of a vehicle. These reports give no clues about the quality of the car, as it doesn't cover parts like trim or paint.
www.spiegel.de/auto/werkstatt/0,1518,463207,00.html
www.spiegel.de/auto/aktuell/0,1518,463173,00.html
Good point about the influential factors. I'm sure that Porsches older than five or even ten years are better maintained than most or all other cars that are covered by these statistics. This need not be because of the attitude towards the car, but on its residuals as well, as €1k for a spare part on a 10 year old Porsche are a better investment than a €1k part for a Kia of the same age.
The TÜV does only investigate into the roadworthiness of a vehicle. These reports give no clues about the quality of the car, as it doesn't cover parts like trim or paint.
Good stuff, thanks a lot - just digging through it all over lunch. Nice to see the Spiegel can keep up with the Sun when it comes to sensationalist headlines!
Spiegel has an English section as well: www.spiegel.de/international/
- but Bild is closer to the Sun
I eh see what you mean ...
Bodo said:
The results show age - best car - worst car
3 yrs - Opel Meriva - Kia Carnival
5 yrs - Porsche 996 - Kia Carnival
7 yrs - Toyota RAV4 - Chrysler Voyager
9 yrs - Porsche Boxster - Renault Twingo
11 yrs - Porsche 993 - Renault Espace
Bodo, have to question your highlighting here - it's not like us lesser owners don't splash some TLC on our's as well...
axels said:
Bodo said:
The results show age - best car - worst car
3 yrs - Opel Meriva - Kia Carnival
5 yrs - Porsche 996 - Kia Carnival
7 yrs - Toyota RAV4 - Chrysler Voyager
9 yrs - Porsche Boxster - Renault Twingo
11 yrs - Porsche 993 - Renault Espace
Bodo, have to question your highlighting here - it's not like us lesser owners don't splash some TLC on our's as well...
ooops, I've honestly overseen it
Bodo said:
axels said:
Bodo said:
The results show age - best car - worst car
3 yrs - Opel Meriva - Kia Carnival
5 yrs - Porsche 996 - Kia Carnival
7 yrs - Toyota RAV4 - Chrysler Voyager
9 yrs - Porsche Boxster - Renault Twingo
11 yrs - Porsche 993 - Renault Espace
Bodo, have to question your highlighting here - it's not like us lesser owners don't splash some TLC on our's as well...
ooops, I've honestly overseen it
Easy to do - sorry couldn't resist
Thankfully no Boxster bashers on here to pick up on that oversight.
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