Don't like the Answer? Reword the Question.....
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Just a little thing I notices from the West Yorks Scamera Partnership website.
Over the last couple of weeks, they had the online poll with the question:
"Do you think speed limits should be more rigorously enforced?"
The last time I saw it, over 70% said "No".
The question has now changed, and they are asking:
"Speed enforcement in residential areas. Do you agree that speed limits should be enforced in 30mph residential roads?"
It's a 100% "Yes" vote at the moment.
It'll be interesting to see if they even refer to the previous poll when their self-righteous press release comes out saying "overwhelming support for enforcement of speed limits....."
Over the last couple of weeks, they had the online poll with the question:
"Do you think speed limits should be more rigorously enforced?"
The last time I saw it, over 70% said "No".
The question has now changed, and they are asking:
"Speed enforcement in residential areas. Do you agree that speed limits should be enforced in 30mph residential roads?"
It's a 100% "Yes" vote at the moment.
It'll be interesting to see if they even refer to the previous poll when their self-righteous press release comes out saying "overwhelming support for enforcement of speed limits....."
Alice Cupra said:
The question has now changed, and they are asking:
"Speed enforcement in residential areas. Do you agree that speed limits should be enforced in 30mph residential roads?"
It's a 100% "Yes" vote at the moment.
Not any more it's not 50% disagree at the moment.
If they want to ask stupid biased questions then I reserve the right to give stupid biased answers!!!!!!!!!
BB
Has anyone else seen the free Glove Box Buddy?
It’s designed to reinforce safe driving habits and so reduce the chances of being involved in a crash.
The Safer Driver’s CompanionTM is a bespoke-designed organiser that enables drivers to keep records of;
* mileages
* journeys
* expenses
* names and addresses
* to do lists
* important dates and events
* notes, etc
Does anyone else fail to understand how this reduces the chances of being involved in a crash? Does it also have a handy force field to gently deflect pedestrians and other traffic? Or perhaps endows the driver with psychic powers?
Scam Partnership said:
It’s designed to reinforce safe driving habits and so reduce the chances of being involved in a crash.
The Safer Driver’s CompanionTM is a bespoke-designed organiser that enables drivers to keep records of;
* mileages
* journeys
* expenses
* names and addresses
* to do lists
* important dates and events
* notes, etc
Does anyone else fail to understand how this reduces the chances of being involved in a crash? Does it also have a handy force field to gently deflect pedestrians and other traffic? Or perhaps endows the driver with psychic powers?
Edited by MR2Mike on Saturday 14th April 12:22
Glove box buddy. Oh dear.
Why not have a copy of the highway code to read instead? If you can fart around with a note pad after every journey to no real end, then you have the time to read something useful!
That P Gwyenne is a bit of a goon anyway... worryingly, he's the type who thinks that what he is doing is the right thing
Dave
Why not have a copy of the highway code to read instead? If you can fart around with a note pad after every journey to no real end, then you have the time to read something useful!
That P Gwyenne is a bit of a goon anyway... worryingly, he's the type who thinks that what he is doing is the right thing
Dave
MR2Mike said:
Has anyone else seen the free Glove Box Buddy?
It’s designed to reinforce safe driving habits and so reduce the chances of being involved in a crash.
The Safer Driver’s CompanionTM is a bespoke-designed organiser that enables drivers to keep records of;
* mileages
* journeys
* expenses
* names and addresses
* to do lists
* important dates and events
* notes, etc
Does anyone else fail to understand how this reduces the chances of being involved in a crash? Does it also have a handy force field to gently deflect pedestrians and other traffic? Or perhaps endows the driver with psychic powers?
So you can avoid the "failing to name" charge? - Streaky [searching for the :tongue-in-cheek: emoticon again!] Scam Partnership said:
It’s designed to reinforce safe driving habits and so reduce the chances of being involved in a crash.
The Safer Driver’s CompanionTM is a bespoke-designed organiser that enables drivers to keep records of;
* mileages
* journeys
* expenses
* names and addresses
* to do lists
* important dates and events
* notes, etc
Does anyone else fail to understand how this reduces the chances of being involved in a crash? Does it also have a handy force field to gently deflect pedestrians and other traffic? Or perhaps endows the driver with psychic powers?
Edited by MR2Mike on Saturday 14th April 12:22
You may want to also pick them up on their "Free" glove box buddy - someone paid for it and more than likely it was through your council tax so it's not free.
My local council used to forever send us Free newsletters (read propoganda) that was telling us how good the council were performing. Never was free as we paid for the writing, printing and distribution of it through our council tax. Haven't seen the word free on any of the recent stuff and last years letter to them..
My local council used to forever send us Free newsletters (read propoganda) that was telling us how good the council were performing. Never was free as we paid for the writing, printing and distribution of it through our council tax. Haven't seen the word free on any of the recent stuff and last years letter to them..
Just browsing that website, it's amazing what they claim. Take here for example: www.safetycameraswestyorkshire.co.uk/mobile-cameras.htm
So what do we learn?
1. W Yorks Scameras are operated by police on contract to the Partnership. This is interesting considering the lengths to which police in some counties go to distance themselves from the Partnerships
2. Talivans are a last resort after engineering has failed to reduce casualties. They are parked visibly, and only at accident blackspots
3. Cameras are only used up to 2000ft (610m). This is the limit in the published Code of Practice. I wish other Partnerships were so careful (Norfolk, for example
)
4. Checks are performed on the operation of the camera prior to each use. No mention of afterwards, but at least that's a start. I wonder if they are prepared to provide the proof of the checks in court?
5. Talivans are operated by police. Because of course only police officers are authorised in court to form prior opinions of speed that are corroborated by the cameras. Or perhaps anyone is if they have a camera? Or perhaps anyone employed by a Partnership? I wish I knew...
Anyway, there's some stuff in here that suggests they're trying to operate within the CoP. I wonder if it's true? Anyone in W Yorks have experience of the reality?
WYorks Scam said:
Mobile speed enforcement safety patrols are operated by West Yorkshire Police on behalf of West Yorkshire Casualty Reduction Partnership and operate in known casualty zones. Patrols are sited according to how many lives they might save and injuries they might prevent.
Mobile cameras may only be deployed on a site length of between 0.4 and 5 km where there has been at least 1 collision causing death or serious injury per km within the previous 3 years. In addition, there must have been a high number of other injury-causing collisions.
At least 20% of drivers must be exceeding the speed limit at the location. "Speeding" is defined as at least 10% above the speed limit plus 2mph (e.g. 35mph in a 30mph zone) for free-flowing traffic excluding any rush hour periods.
In addition, cameras may only be used where it can be shown that other highways improvement and road safety measures have been tried but have failed significantly to reduce the numbers of crashes and casualties.
If you see a mobile patrol, you are in a casualty danger zone!
There are clear Government requirements covering where and how mobile safety cameras should be placed, and the measures to be taken to ensure drivers are aware of them. The Partnership identifies each mobile patrol location to central Government for approval, and once approval for the site is given, the area is surveyed for the best parking spot to deal with the problem. Locations are selected with the full knowledge and approval of the Assistant Chief Constable of West Yorkshire Police.
The patrol vehicles use leading-edge, laser speed measurement technology. It is a stationary laser, not hand held, that pinpoints a specific vehicle. The laser emits a series of invisible light pulses to measure both the range and speed of vehicles. It is invisible to radar detectors. It is used at an operational distance up to 2,000ft. The equipment is calibrated annually and check procedures are completed by the operators prior to each use.
The laser operates effectively in a wide range of weather and light conditions, enabling the roadside patrols to enforce throughout the year. Specially-trained police officers, employed by West Yorkshire Casualty Reduction Partnership, wear full police uniform and wear high visibility jackets while on duty.
Mobile patrols must be highly visible. They do not operate covertly and the Government has laid down the guidelines on the visibility of mobile patrols.
West Yorkshire Casualty Reduction Partnership uses police-liveried Ford Galaxies and a police-liveried police motorcycle. In addition to clear police markings, all vehicles are identified as belonging to West Yorkshire Casualty Reduction Partnership. Patrol vehicles are positioned so as to be clearly highly visible to approaching motorists in order to encourage them to check that they are driving within the legal limit.
Location details of where mobile patrols are operating this week and next in West Yorkshire are available within Future Patrols.
The installation of safety cameras is only one aspect of casualty reduction. We are always looking for the most effective measure in any situation and safety cameras are a last resort.
The key purpose of a mobile camera patrol is to try and prevent any more crashes and casualties from happening at an existing casualty "blackspot".
Mobile cameras may only be deployed on a site length of between 0.4 and 5 km where there has been at least 1 collision causing death or serious injury per km within the previous 3 years. In addition, there must have been a high number of other injury-causing collisions.
At least 20% of drivers must be exceeding the speed limit at the location. "Speeding" is defined as at least 10% above the speed limit plus 2mph (e.g. 35mph in a 30mph zone) for free-flowing traffic excluding any rush hour periods.
In addition, cameras may only be used where it can be shown that other highways improvement and road safety measures have been tried but have failed significantly to reduce the numbers of crashes and casualties.
If you see a mobile patrol, you are in a casualty danger zone!
There are clear Government requirements covering where and how mobile safety cameras should be placed, and the measures to be taken to ensure drivers are aware of them. The Partnership identifies each mobile patrol location to central Government for approval, and once approval for the site is given, the area is surveyed for the best parking spot to deal with the problem. Locations are selected with the full knowledge and approval of the Assistant Chief Constable of West Yorkshire Police.
The patrol vehicles use leading-edge, laser speed measurement technology. It is a stationary laser, not hand held, that pinpoints a specific vehicle. The laser emits a series of invisible light pulses to measure both the range and speed of vehicles. It is invisible to radar detectors. It is used at an operational distance up to 2,000ft. The equipment is calibrated annually and check procedures are completed by the operators prior to each use.
The laser operates effectively in a wide range of weather and light conditions, enabling the roadside patrols to enforce throughout the year. Specially-trained police officers, employed by West Yorkshire Casualty Reduction Partnership, wear full police uniform and wear high visibility jackets while on duty.
Mobile patrols must be highly visible. They do not operate covertly and the Government has laid down the guidelines on the visibility of mobile patrols.
West Yorkshire Casualty Reduction Partnership uses police-liveried Ford Galaxies and a police-liveried police motorcycle. In addition to clear police markings, all vehicles are identified as belonging to West Yorkshire Casualty Reduction Partnership. Patrol vehicles are positioned so as to be clearly highly visible to approaching motorists in order to encourage them to check that they are driving within the legal limit.
Location details of where mobile patrols are operating this week and next in West Yorkshire are available within Future Patrols.
The installation of safety cameras is only one aspect of casualty reduction. We are always looking for the most effective measure in any situation and safety cameras are a last resort.
The key purpose of a mobile camera patrol is to try and prevent any more crashes and casualties from happening at an existing casualty "blackspot".
So what do we learn?
1. W Yorks Scameras are operated by police on contract to the Partnership. This is interesting considering the lengths to which police in some counties go to distance themselves from the Partnerships
2. Talivans are a last resort after engineering has failed to reduce casualties. They are parked visibly, and only at accident blackspots
3. Cameras are only used up to 2000ft (610m). This is the limit in the published Code of Practice. I wish other Partnerships were so careful (Norfolk, for example
) 4. Checks are performed on the operation of the camera prior to each use. No mention of afterwards, but at least that's a start. I wonder if they are prepared to provide the proof of the checks in court?
5. Talivans are operated by police. Because of course only police officers are authorised in court to form prior opinions of speed that are corroborated by the cameras. Or perhaps anyone is if they have a camera? Or perhaps anyone employed by a Partnership? I wish I knew...
Anyway, there's some stuff in here that suggests they're trying to operate within the CoP. I wonder if it's true? Anyone in W Yorks have experience of the reality?
Never seen one in West Yorks, ever... so maybe it's the roads I use? They publish their locations for the current and next months, and I've used plenty over the years I've kept note of locations, but again I've never seen them on those roads.
Seen several in N.Yorks though, proper Trafpol. Had a sign up warning of presence, 100 yards later a speed display sign (telling you your speed and a reminder of current limit), then 100 yards later a plod car.
Funnily enough there was a biker pulled over, I was quite amused considering the warnings. Made me respect N.York plod though, they were fair about it and did the job of slowing people down in a dangerous place. Respect met with mutual respect back!
Dave
Seen several in N.Yorks though, proper Trafpol. Had a sign up warning of presence, 100 yards later a speed display sign (telling you your speed and a reminder of current limit), then 100 yards later a plod car.
Funnily enough there was a biker pulled over, I was quite amused considering the warnings. Made me respect N.York plod though, they were fair about it and did the job of slowing people down in a dangerous place. Respect met with mutual respect back!
Dave
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