Vista in the working enviroment
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Laptops now only come with Vista. i find it hard to part with more money for another copy of an O/S (XP) to use until vista is safe enough for a working enviroment, we have just bought a Tosh Satellite Pro U200. with a USB dock. but the dock doesnt have vista drivers.. i have spent over 2 hours looking and found the drivers on a Tosh Asia site. lucky click as i couldnt read squat.
but it just a joke. New hardware without vista drivers.
we have quite a relaxed enviroment here so Vista as a whole isnt to bad. users will just need to play around with it when they get new laptops
im not pissed off with MS or vista. Just hardware venders who still role out hardware without vista drivers.
but it just a joke. New hardware without vista drivers.
we have quite a relaxed enviroment here so Vista as a whole isnt to bad. users will just need to play around with it when they get new laptops
im not pissed off with MS or vista. Just hardware venders who still role out hardware without vista drivers.
plasticpig said:
We are currently advising our customers to wait for SP1 being released before commiting to VISTA (especially those who are still running legacy 16 bit apps). One of our clients (a large PLC) only completed their NT4 to XP roll out last year! I don't expect a rush to upgrade.
It's amazing to think that an awful lot of companies are still using Windows 98, but I guess if it ain't broke....We haven't finished demising NT yet. 
I can't see businesses putting up with Gates' con for much longer. It cost us over $20M to "upgrade" from NT to XP, with no real benefits other than on-going support, and I can't see the business coughing up that kind of money at regular intervals.
At some point, it'll be cheaper to do it Another Way than pay Gates off yet again, at which point MS are screwed.
I can't see businesses putting up with Gates' con for much longer. It cost us over $20M to "upgrade" from NT to XP, with no real benefits other than on-going support, and I can't see the business coughing up that kind of money at regular intervals.
At some point, it'll be cheaper to do it Another Way than pay Gates off yet again, at which point MS are screwed.
We've got a few clients on NT4 and 98 as well, allthough most are standardised on XP. 2K+ is much lower maintainance than 98 IMO but since then... like the man said if it ain't broke don't fix it - what was really broke? People at work aren't sitting at a computer to be 'dazzled by the experience' they're there to type things in, and print them out again, and get paid.
I think they should do something like 'Vista Core' in the same vein as Server 2008 Core will be, and then
leave it alone for a very, very long time or better still, stop using a big stick to keep us away from XP.
I think they should do something like 'Vista Core' in the same vein as Server 2008 Core will be, and then
leave it alone for a very, very long time or better still, stop using a big stick to keep us away from XP.
not on your Nelly Sir!!Zumbruk said:
We haven't finished demising NT yet.
I can't see businesses putting up with Gates' con for much longer. It cost us over $20M to "upgrade" from NT to XP, with no real benefits other than on-going support, and I can't see the business coughing up that kind of money at regular intervals.
At some point, it'll be cheaper to do it Another Way than pay Gates off yet again, at which point MS are screwed.
come off it. NT is simply not up to the job of coping with modern tasks.I can't see businesses putting up with Gates' con for much longer. It cost us over $20M to "upgrade" from NT to XP, with no real benefits other than on-going support, and I can't see the business coughing up that kind of money at regular intervals.
At some point, it'll be cheaper to do it Another Way than pay Gates off yet again, at which point MS are screwed.
Zod said:
Zumbruk said:
We haven't finished demising NT yet.
I can't see businesses putting up with Gates' con for much longer. It cost us over $20M to "upgrade" from NT to XP, with no real benefits other than on-going support, and I can't see the business coughing up that kind of money at regular intervals.
At some point, it'll be cheaper to do it Another Way than pay Gates off yet again, at which point MS are screwed.
come off it. NT is simply not up to the job of coping with modern tasks.I can't see businesses putting up with Gates' con for much longer. It cost us over $20M to "upgrade" from NT to XP, with no real benefits other than on-going support, and I can't see the business coughing up that kind of money at regular intervals.
At some point, it'll be cheaper to do it Another Way than pay Gates off yet again, at which point MS are screwed.
Zod said:
Zumbruk said:
We haven't finished demising NT yet.
I can't see businesses putting up with Gates' con for much longer. It cost us over $20M to "upgrade" from NT to XP, with no real benefits other than on-going support, and I can't see the business coughing up that kind of money at regular intervals.
At some point, it'll be cheaper to do it Another Way than pay Gates off yet again, at which point MS are screwed.
come off it. NT is simply not up to the job of coping with modern tasks.I can't see businesses putting up with Gates' con for much longer. It cost us over $20M to "upgrade" from NT to XP, with no real benefits other than on-going support, and I can't see the business coughing up that kind of money at regular intervals.
At some point, it'll be cheaper to do it Another Way than pay Gates off yet again, at which point MS are screwed.
Big businesses haven't yet moved to XP en mass, they might skip XP and go to Vista or simply hole up with 2k until Vista's replacement arrives.
Zod said:
Zumbruk said:
We haven't finished demising NT yet.
I can't see businesses putting up with Gates' con for much longer. It cost us over $20M to "upgrade" from NT to XP, with no real benefits other than on-going support, and I can't see the business coughing up that kind of money at regular intervals.
At some point, it'll be cheaper to do it Another Way than pay Gates off yet again, at which point MS are screwed.
come off it. NT is simply not up to the job of coping with modern tasks.I can't see businesses putting up with Gates' con for much longer. It cost us over $20M to "upgrade" from NT to XP, with no real benefits other than on-going support, and I can't see the business coughing up that kind of money at regular intervals.
At some point, it'll be cheaper to do it Another Way than pay Gates off yet again, at which point MS are screwed.
Remember, folks, that 88.35% of statistics are made up on the spot
ThePassenger said:
Big businesses haven't yet moved to XP en masse
Don't bet on that.They have. There's a significant population of 2K and to a lesser extent NT (especially in the server room), but I'd say the majority of business desktop PCs run XP, simply because that's how they come from Dell/HP/IBM/etc.
CommanderJameson said:
ThePassenger said:
Big businesses haven't yet moved to XP en masse
Don't bet on that.They have. There's a significant population of 2K and to a lesser extent NT (especially in the server room), but I'd say the majority of business desktop PCs run XP, simply because that's how they come from Dell/HP/IBM/etc.
2003 is a great server platform!! (oops did i really say that!)
My understanding is that the combination of :
1) Cost to buy new licences all over again
2) Cost of replacing nearly all the kit, because it's not big enough to run Vista
3) Lack of knowledgable Vista techies/network techies in the numbers required to install/train/support.
4) Cost of retraining 160,000 staff wordwide
5) Concerns over the number of security patches which have already been falling out of Redmond
6) Concerns over backward compatibility with existing application base (both in-house, external & connectivity)
7) Concerns over backward compatibility with some existing key hardware & the lack of drivers for what Microsoft would regard as 'old kit'
8) Lack of a strong cost benefit case for change (against using Windows XP)
Means the (big) company I work for isn't considering it in even the medium term. I think I heard a rumour that Citigroup were going to upgrade - that gave us a right laugh that did.
In short - "No"
1) Cost to buy new licences all over again
2) Cost of replacing nearly all the kit, because it's not big enough to run Vista
3) Lack of knowledgable Vista techies/network techies in the numbers required to install/train/support.
4) Cost of retraining 160,000 staff wordwide
5) Concerns over the number of security patches which have already been falling out of Redmond
6) Concerns over backward compatibility with existing application base (both in-house, external & connectivity)
7) Concerns over backward compatibility with some existing key hardware & the lack of drivers for what Microsoft would regard as 'old kit'
8) Lack of a strong cost benefit case for change (against using Windows XP)
Means the (big) company I work for isn't considering it in even the medium term. I think I heard a rumour that Citigroup were going to upgrade - that gave us a right laugh that did.
In short - "No"
Edited by corozin on Monday 11th June 19:28
corozin said:
My understanding is that the combination of :
1) Cost to buy new licences all over again
2) Cost of replacing nearly all the kit, because it's not big enough to run Vista
3) Lack of knowledgable Vista techies/network techies in the numbers required to install/train/support.
4) Cost of retraining 160,000 staff wordwide
5) Concerns over the number of security patches which have already been falling out of Redmond
6) Concerns over backward compatibility with existing application base (both in-house, external & connectivity)
7) Concerns over backward compatibility with some existing key hardware & the lack of drivers for what Microsoft would regard as 'old kit'
8) Lack of a strong cost benefit case for change (against using Windows XP)
Means the (big) company I work for isn't considering it in even the medium term. I think I heard a rumour that Citigroup were going to upgrade - that gave us a right laugh that did.
In short - "No"
you didn't mention office 2007, and it's backward compatibilty issues!!! 1) Cost to buy new licences all over again
2) Cost of replacing nearly all the kit, because it's not big enough to run Vista
3) Lack of knowledgable Vista techies/network techies in the numbers required to install/train/support.
4) Cost of retraining 160,000 staff wordwide
5) Concerns over the number of security patches which have already been falling out of Redmond
6) Concerns over backward compatibility with existing application base (both in-house, external & connectivity)
7) Concerns over backward compatibility with some existing key hardware & the lack of drivers for what Microsoft would regard as 'old kit'
8) Lack of a strong cost benefit case for change (against using Windows XP)
Means the (big) company I work for isn't considering it in even the medium term. I think I heard a rumour that Citigroup were going to upgrade - that gave us a right laugh that did.
In short - "No"
Edited by corozin on Monday 11th June 19:28
is that another hole in Bill Gates foot??
Well from a corporate perspective you could probably write enough "issues" with deploying Vista to fill a leaflet, but I thought I'd concentrate on the key ones.
The thing is, Microsoft have just run off over the horizon with this technology. Most businesses don't need the vast majority of all the new functions that Vista/Office 2007 has - most businesses don't even start to exploit the functionality of Office 2003!
So Vista looks pretty... what else does it do? Can it actually aid productivity to an extent that it can make a business case for itself over XP/Office 2003?
That's where the argument ends for most big corporates right now. Costs are tough enough without handicapping yourself with the problems of deploying an expensive, insecure, pointless piece of software like Vista.
The thing is, Microsoft have just run off over the horizon with this technology. Most businesses don't need the vast majority of all the new functions that Vista/Office 2007 has - most businesses don't even start to exploit the functionality of Office 2003!
So Vista looks pretty... what else does it do? Can it actually aid productivity to an extent that it can make a business case for itself over XP/Office 2003?
That's where the argument ends for most big corporates right now. Costs are tough enough without handicapping yourself with the problems of deploying an expensive, insecure, pointless piece of software like Vista.
corozin said:
Well from a corporate perspective you could probably write enough "issues" with deploying Vista to fill a leaflet, but I thought I'd concentrate on the key ones.
The thing is, Microsoft have just run off over the horizon with this technology. Most businesses don't need the vast majority of all the new functions that Vista/Office 2007 has - most businesses don't even start to exploit the functionality of Office 2003!
So Vista looks pretty... what else does it do? Can it actually aid productivity to an extent that it can make a business case for itself over XP/Office 2003?
That's where the argument ends for most big corporates right now. Costs are tough enough without handicapping yourself with the problems of deploying an expensive, insecure, pointless piece of software like Vista.
I'm still using Office 2002 (XP) and to be honest, the only thing Outlook (to pick one) really needs is a not-stupid search, and that's mostly fixed on the Exchange side anyway. (Yes, we're still on 5.5, and it sucks)The thing is, Microsoft have just run off over the horizon with this technology. Most businesses don't need the vast majority of all the new functions that Vista/Office 2007 has - most businesses don't even start to exploit the functionality of Office 2003!
So Vista looks pretty... what else does it do? Can it actually aid productivity to an extent that it can make a business case for itself over XP/Office 2003?
That's where the argument ends for most big corporates right now. Costs are tough enough without handicapping yourself with the problems of deploying an expensive, insecure, pointless piece of software like Vista.
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