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Got this 'tip' sent to me today. Don't think I'll be trying it 
quote:
Most people who are stopped for speeding dont know what to say or do at the time and it can be quite an intimidating experience. If you would like to "buy yourself some time", in order to have a think etc., you should say the following words immediately after they Caution you please note that you have got to say the words precisely so why not keep them in your car.
“I do not recognise the significance of those words and I would like to exercise my legal right to refer to PACE – The Police and Criminal Evidence Act”.
Two things will happen. They will treat you with much more respect and they will have to hand you a copy of PACE, which is a very thick and complex document. You can sit in the back of the patrol car and read it for as long as you like and they can’t continue until you have finished!
The majority of police officers don’t know that PACE doesn’t apply to summary offences so most Constabularies Traffic Officers Caution drivers for speeding. However, not many patrol cars actually carry a copy of PACE so the first thing they will probably have to do is radio to the station and ask someone to bring them a copy!!
We have provided a simple explanation of the “Caution” at:
www.pepipoo.com/Glossary.htm#Caution
Here are some more things that you can consider doing if you are stopped:
www.pepipoo.com/Regional_differences.htm#Rights
From vague/hazy memory ...
A copy of PACE is provided for you when you are taken into custody, not at time of arrest. There is always a copy available for detainees in custody, and you are usually asked if you wish to have a copy of it.
Secondly, PACE applies to arrest, irrelevant of the type of offence.
It is impractical, and I believe legally so, to provide copies of PACE at time of arrest, as you would be taken into custody immediately for your own/officers safety.
But don't quote me on that ver batim.
A copy of PACE is provided for you when you are taken into custody, not at time of arrest. There is always a copy available for detainees in custody, and you are usually asked if you wish to have a copy of it.
Secondly, PACE applies to arrest, irrelevant of the type of offence.
It is impractical, and I believe legally so, to provide copies of PACE at time of arrest, as you would be taken into custody immediately for your own/officers safety.
But don't quote me on that ver batim.
Ted pass this tip back. If someone dosn't understand the caution we are supposed to try and explain it in everyday words/plain English, having done that,I would simply write down you reply on the back of the ticket, ask them to sign it, give them the ticket. As already pointed out your right to consult the PACE codes of practice usually applies to persons in detention, and even then it does not permit the delaying of certain procedures ie drink/drive. You may dislike smart arse cops, but we are human, do you not think that we may also dislike smart arse persons. Just try dealing with us in a polite manner, you will generally get a like reply
Edited by john robson on Monday 26th November 13:28
Edited by john robson on Monday 26th November 13:30
Edited by john robson on Monday 26th November 13:28
Edited by john robson on Monday 26th November 13:30
I'd go along with that Nick so would suggest as follows:
Most people who are flashed for speeding dont know what to say or do at the time and it can be quite an intimidating experience. If you would like to "buy yourself some time", in order to have a think etc., you should stop your car immediately in the middle of the road and call the civilian desk clerk on your mobile phone (hands free of course)and say the words precisely so why not keep them in your car.
“I do not recognise the significance of a bright flash and I would like to exercise my legal right to refer to PACE – The Police and Criminal Evidence Act”.
Two things will happen. They will treat you as a raving lunatic and they will have to send out a copy of PACE, which is a very thick and complex document (by TNT as they will have scrapped all patrol cars). You can sit in the back of the couriers van and read it for as long as you like and they can’t continue until you have finished or the delivery driver has kicked the shit out of you!
The majority of GATSO's don’t know that PACE doesn’t apply to grey boxes so most just take a picture. However, not many camera sites actually have a copy of PACE so the first thing the civilian desk clerk will do is call out the duty Social worker and have you commited to an institution for the rest of your natural!!
Good Luck !
Most people who are flashed for speeding dont know what to say or do at the time and it can be quite an intimidating experience. If you would like to "buy yourself some time", in order to have a think etc., you should stop your car immediately in the middle of the road and call the civilian desk clerk on your mobile phone (hands free of course)and say the words precisely so why not keep them in your car.
“I do not recognise the significance of a bright flash and I would like to exercise my legal right to refer to PACE – The Police and Criminal Evidence Act”.
Two things will happen. They will treat you as a raving lunatic and they will have to send out a copy of PACE, which is a very thick and complex document (by TNT as they will have scrapped all patrol cars). You can sit in the back of the couriers van and read it for as long as you like and they can’t continue until you have finished or the delivery driver has kicked the shit out of you!
The majority of GATSO's don’t know that PACE doesn’t apply to grey boxes so most just take a picture. However, not many camera sites actually have a copy of PACE so the first thing the civilian desk clerk will do is call out the duty Social worker and have you commited to an institution for the rest of your natural!!
Good Luck !
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