british superbikes on pirellis!!!!
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The wild cards back at the UK`s WSB events is good news...
I agree Dunlops should have been the supplier of the 08 season.
As long as the racings good.....it always has been & I doubt Pirellis will change that...
Do Pirelli still run the tyre subscription scheme that irked some of the racers in WSB back when they were introduced...?
Privateers were paying for tyres that essentially stayed in the Pirelli trailer if they were not being used...
I agree Dunlops should have been the supplier of the 08 season.
As long as the racings good.....it always has been & I doubt Pirellis will change that...
Do Pirelli still run the tyre subscription scheme that irked some of the racers in WSB back when they were introduced...?
Privateers were paying for tyres that essentially stayed in the Pirelli trailer if they were not being used...
I don't care if lap times increase, but it's surely good news for the smaller teams, as they'll have access to the same rubber as the factory guys. IMO HM plant have had an advantage through using Michelin tyres that haven't been availible to all teams. level playing feild now & a chance for some of the riders to do wsb rounds.
JS99 said:
IMO HM plant have had an advantage through using Michelin tyres that haven't been availible to all teams.
hhmm, trust me, the bike made more of a differnece than the tyres, we only had 2 riders to develop tyres whereas dunlop had 4 or 5 top level teams....if anything, pirellis will increase the gap as differences in machinery will really show !!
I waiting to hear what the riders will think of this!
Didn't Haydon blame the Pirellis for his poor showing on the Virgin Yamaha before swapping to Hawk?
Also it's a shame that Tommy Hill has gone now, as we might have seen what he could've done with his Pirelli experience, now that everyone else is on the same rubber.
Didn't Haydon blame the Pirellis for his poor showing on the Virgin Yamaha before swapping to Hawk?
Also it's a shame that Tommy Hill has gone now, as we might have seen what he could've done with his Pirelli experience, now that everyone else is on the same rubber.
castrolcraig said:
JS99 said:
IMO HM plant have had an advantage through using Michelin tyres that haven't been availible to all teams.
hhmm, trust me, the bike made more of a differnece than the tyres, we only had 2 riders to develop tyres whereas dunlop had 4 or 5 top level teams....if anything, pirellis will increase the gap as differences in machinery will really show !!
Hopefuly there will be a smaller gap in machinery next year - with the lower tuning regs, it should reduce the gaps in performance. i hear that the Honda kit parts used by HM will be availible to all Honda teams next year & HM will not be a HRC factory supported team?
JS99 said:
castrolcraig said:
JS99 said:
IMO HM plant have had an advantage through using Michelin tyres that haven't been availible to all teams.
hhmm, trust me, the bike made more of a differnece than the tyres, we only had 2 riders to develop tyres whereas dunlop had 4 or 5 top level teams....if anything, pirellis will increase the gap as differences in machinery will really show !!
Hopefuly there will be a smaller gap in machinery next year - with the lower tuning regs, it should reduce the gaps in performance. i hear that the Honda kit parts used by HM will be availible to all Honda teams next year & HM will not be a HRC factory supported team?
and as for kit parts, if you beleive the press then no hm are not a works team and other teams can get the dame level of access to hrc parts as hm but again, that could not be further from the truth!!!!
smr (hydrex bike animal) have access to off the shelf parts but they certainly wont get full works parts!!
and machinery gaps will be even morew apparent now!!
as for wsb wild cards, dont hold your breath because bsb and wsb engine regs are completely different and not many teams will have either the resources or finances to build wsb engines mid season......
Edited by castrolcraig on Friday 14th December 10:43
castrolcraig said:
and as for kit parts, if you beleive the press then no hm are not a works team and other teams can get the dame level of access to hrc parts as hm but again, that could not be further from the truth!!!!
smr (hydrex bike animal) have access to off the shelf parts but they certainly wont get full works parts!!
and machinery gaps will be even morew apparent now!!
So will HM still have access to HRC parts that aren't availible to other teams or will it be parts that they develop in house?smr (hydrex bike animal) have access to off the shelf parts but they certainly wont get full works parts!!
and machinery gaps will be even morew apparent now!!
I can't see the gaps in performance anything but decreasing, as the bikes will be running standard road pistons, crank & rods other than blue printing i think the only mods allowed to the engine are new cams and cylinder head work, this should reasult in much cheaper running costs, more reliability & the closest grid BSB has ever seen... it's a shame WSB didn't follow this example.
JS99 said:
I don't care if lap times increase, but it's surely good news for the smaller teams, as they'll have access to the same rubber as the factory guys. IMO HM plant have had an advantage through using Michelin tyres that haven't been availible to all teams. level playing feild now & a chance for some of the riders to do wsb rounds.
Dont believe that for a second. Sure they'll all be on Pirelli's but same compounds offered to all ?I am not going to deny I am very dissapointed to hear that BSB is going to one make tyre rule, I think it further detracts from what racing is about.
Making all the components, including the rider the best they can be.
Michelins did not give the HM plant team an advantage. Given Dunlop have been the only tyre to be on in BSB for as long as I can remember, they had more data and knowledge about the british circuits than Michelin do now.
Ducati's won't be able to wild card for certain as engine rules are different. I am no expert on the 4 cylinder rules though, I know you are Castrolracing, so I agree that there simply won't be the number of wildcards that we used to see.
As for it making the teams at the back of the grid more competitive, can you explain how it does that ?
I haven't seen any evidence of this in WSB in all the time they have had a single tyre rule. As I understand racing, the guys at the front are their because the machinery has sufficient investment and access to parts and testing, with a quality rider on board. The teams at the back don't have the access to the parts, testing and riders, and just because the tyres are the same will not make up the gap.
Although engine internals may be governed closely, the suspension is still bolt on what you can afford. If you're GSE or HM Plant then you are bolting on WSB spec Ohlins or Showa, worth 25k for a set of forks.
If you're Hydrex Honda, you are bolting on last years, or 2 years old fork technoly, and therefore you can't necessarily get the best out of the tyres which are the same as the teams at the front.
The racing at the front should be closer, but the first season could simply come down to which team is able to use the tyres the best. Virgin Yamaha have to do a good job this coming season, as they should have the data and knowledge.
Most teams and Pirelli will be able to get data for Donington, Silverstone and Brands Hatch, but it'll be the team that adapts best at the other circuits who'll do the best probably.
This for me is another negative for a single tyre rule, as it'll come down to the tyres possibly deciding the championship, rather than the package . .
Look at how much Bayliss struggled with Pirellis in WSB this year. There is very little opportunity for the tyre to be tuned to the bike and developed accordingly. If Ducati eats it's tyres this year, there will be no opportunity to develop different ones and the closer racing that is the Mantra for this change could produce a shocker of a season . . .
It ultiately will be heralded a success, however, in my views it is not in the best interest of the racing or the fans.
I agree it should have been Dunlop after the years of support they have given the series, they have shown they can supply the vast majority of the whole paddock and they are a British company. DORNA are behind this one ... .
Apologies for the long rant, and I will be at every roudn again this year . . .
See you on 6th April . . .
Making all the components, including the rider the best they can be.
Michelins did not give the HM plant team an advantage. Given Dunlop have been the only tyre to be on in BSB for as long as I can remember, they had more data and knowledge about the british circuits than Michelin do now.
Ducati's won't be able to wild card for certain as engine rules are different. I am no expert on the 4 cylinder rules though, I know you are Castrolracing, so I agree that there simply won't be the number of wildcards that we used to see.
As for it making the teams at the back of the grid more competitive, can you explain how it does that ?
I haven't seen any evidence of this in WSB in all the time they have had a single tyre rule. As I understand racing, the guys at the front are their because the machinery has sufficient investment and access to parts and testing, with a quality rider on board. The teams at the back don't have the access to the parts, testing and riders, and just because the tyres are the same will not make up the gap.
Although engine internals may be governed closely, the suspension is still bolt on what you can afford. If you're GSE or HM Plant then you are bolting on WSB spec Ohlins or Showa, worth 25k for a set of forks.
If you're Hydrex Honda, you are bolting on last years, or 2 years old fork technoly, and therefore you can't necessarily get the best out of the tyres which are the same as the teams at the front.
The racing at the front should be closer, but the first season could simply come down to which team is able to use the tyres the best. Virgin Yamaha have to do a good job this coming season, as they should have the data and knowledge.
Most teams and Pirelli will be able to get data for Donington, Silverstone and Brands Hatch, but it'll be the team that adapts best at the other circuits who'll do the best probably.
This for me is another negative for a single tyre rule, as it'll come down to the tyres possibly deciding the championship, rather than the package . .
Look at how much Bayliss struggled with Pirellis in WSB this year. There is very little opportunity for the tyre to be tuned to the bike and developed accordingly. If Ducati eats it's tyres this year, there will be no opportunity to develop different ones and the closer racing that is the Mantra for this change could produce a shocker of a season . . .
It ultiately will be heralded a success, however, in my views it is not in the best interest of the racing or the fans.
I agree it should have been Dunlop after the years of support they have given the series, they have shown they can supply the vast majority of the whole paddock and they are a British company. DORNA are behind this one ... .
Apologies for the long rant, and I will be at every roudn again this year . . .
See you on 6th April . . .
i know we are considering doing 3 world super rounds this year, those been 1 uk round, assen and imola!!!
and we will have to do tottally different engine specs, though i suppose it helps having close links with ten kate....
same with airwaves gse ducati i suppose they will just run xerox spec ducati corse engines, but as for the rest......
and yes, roll on april the 6th eh,
oh and by the way mate, i know a little about a lot but im certainly no expeert about the 4 cylinder engine...
and we will have to do tottally different engine specs, though i suppose it helps having close links with ten kate....
same with airwaves gse ducati i suppose they will just run xerox spec ducati corse engines, but as for the rest......
and yes, roll on april the 6th eh,
oh and by the way mate, i know a little about a lot but im certainly no expeert about the 4 cylinder engine...
mc101 said:
JS99 said:
I don't care if lap times increase, but it's surely good news for the smaller teams, as they'll have access to the same rubber as the factory guys. IMO HM plant have had an advantage through using Michelin tyres that haven't been availible to all teams. level playing feild now & a chance for some of the riders to do wsb rounds.
Dont believe that for a second. Sure they'll all be on Pirelli's but same compounds offered to all ?castrolcraig said:
i know we are considering doing 3 world super rounds this year, those been 1 uk round, assen and imola!!!
and we will have to do tottally different engine specs, though i suppose it helps having close links with ten kate....
same with airwaves gse ducati i suppose they will just run xerox spec ducati corse engines, but as for the rest......
and yes, roll on april the 6th eh,
oh and by the way mate, i know a little about a lot but im certainly no expeert about the 4 cylinder engine...
Perhaps more than I then and we will have to do tottally different engine specs, though i suppose it helps having close links with ten kate....
same with airwaves gse ducati i suppose they will just run xerox spec ducati corse engines, but as for the rest......
and yes, roll on april the 6th eh,
oh and by the way mate, i know a little about a lot but im certainly no expeert about the 4 cylinder engine...
You were at least able to confirm that different specs would have to be run by yourselves.
It is good for them teams who can afford it, and have links to WSB teams as well, but as for the others . . .
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