M635CSi and 135i

[Bodo]

	M635CSi	135i	change
weight	1510kg	1560kg	+3.3%
length	4755mm	4360mm	-8.3%
width	1725mm	1748mm	+1.3%
height	1354mm	1408mm	+4.0%
wheelbase	2626mm	2660mm	+1.3%
displacement	3453 cc	2979 cc	-13.7%
output	286PS	306PS	+7.0%
torque	333Nm	400Nm	+20.1%
accel. 0-100km/h	7.7s	5.3s	-31.2%
vmax	255km/h	250km/h lim.	-2.0%
fuel cons.	18l/100km	9.2l/100km	-48.9%

What BMW offered 20 years ago as the top of the range, they're now offering as the smallest coupe. How times changed

[Vixpy1]

Its no good, i'm going to have to buy one..

[pgilc1]

Pity they look as ugly as sin.

I think a 135i 3dr hatch would be a better looking motor. Pity they dont make it...

[derin100]

M635CSi 0-100 kph in 7.7s ? Ermmm...I don't think so!

[Mikey_W]

derin100 said:

M635CSi 0-100 kph in 7.7s ? Ermmm...I don't think so!

more like 6 seconds

[PJR]

pgilc1 said:

Pity they look as ugly as sin.

I think a 135i 3dr hatch would be a better looking motor. Pity they dont make it...

Yes, 3 door hatch would be handy. And, its not really that ugly I dont think..
Just look at the new Skyline. Thats ugly, but because of its "awesome" performance, people don't appear to give a toss how it looks and drool over it anyway. Each to their own huh!

P,

[tuffer]

£29,755

[pgilc1]

PJR said:

pgilc1 said:

Pity they look as ugly as sin.

I think a 135i 3dr hatch would be a better looking motor. Pity they dont make it...

Yes, 3 door hatch would be handy. And, its not really that ugly I dont think..
Just look at the new Skyline. Thats ugly, but because of its "awesome" performance, people don't appear to give a toss how it looks and drool over it anyway. Each to their own huh!

P,

Yeah i know what you're saying. Some cars you can 'forgive' for not being pretty - subarus are a prime example. The 1 series coupe is an odd dumpy little thing though, quite small in real life.

Just cant warm to them.

[dxb335d]

It aint pretty, but it aint that ugly either. 3er is a good looking car, this is its younger but more spritely brother LOL!

[bmwdrivernigel]

Vixpy1 said:

Its no good, i'm going to have to buy one..

If you need a lift to go see.................

[belleair302]

You will however always be king of the road in a M635CSi whereas in a 135i you will always been seen as a pleb who cannot afford an M3, M5 or M6 regardless of the outstanding ride and performance it offers. Such is fashion!

[clonmult]

PJR said:

Yes, 3 door hatch would be handy. And, its not really that ugly I dont think..
Just look at the new Skyline. Thats ugly, but because of its "awesome" performance, people don't appear to give a toss how it looks and drool over it anyway. Each to their own huh!

P,

Well, its not that ugly if you squint at it with the sun in your eyes whilst you've got a blinding headache ....

I don't doubt the performance credentials of the 135 in whatever form it comes in, but it just isn't a good looking car. At all. Especially with the coupe - it looks way too upright, it looks frumpy, kinda sit up and beg, not at all sleek.

BMW really have badly lost their way with design over the last few years.

[Marquis_Rex]

Seems like the source of these figures have done some SERIOUS data doctoring.

The M635 CSi was even quoted by BMW as being a fast car- faster than posted here.

I also think the fuel economy figure quoted is unfair as the old style steady cycle figures cant be directly compared to the newer EUDC style figures. Again a case of selective data doctoring. I wouldn't be suprised if the worst case fuel consumption of the M635 CSi was compared to a much better case of the 1 series.

Anyway, how can anyone compare Bracqs timeless masterpiece with Bangles dogs dinner?
One was inspired, the other is a fashion accesory, thoroughly engineered if overly complicated and robust?

[Marquis_Rex]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Misery guts, or cynical pragmatic realist who is able to see through all the marketing crap manufacturers spew out?

[Bodo]

Marquis_Rex said:

Anyway, how can anyone compare Bracqs timeless masterpiece with Bangles dogs dinner?

Honest, Rup, it wasn't me.

We should get Rene to manufacture a GRP stick-on shark nose for Bangle's dogs dinner

BTW, I've ordered a new car, do we want to sample it, when it arrives in late May? A hoon through the Taunus?

[Marquis_Rex]

Bodo said:

Marquis_Rex said:

Anyway, how can anyone compare Bracqs timeless masterpiece with Bangles dogs dinner?

Honest, Rup, it wasn't me.

We should get Rene to manufacture a GRP stick-on shark nose for Bangle's dogs dinner

BTW, I've ordered a new car, do we want to sample it, when it arrives in late May? A hoon through the Taunus?

Hi mate, what did you buy? I would love to sample it, only problem is that I now reside in the USA/South Carolina.
I travel to Germany a bit, but it tends to be more Bavaria instead....
I'm in the market for a 'new' car also, only because the climate is great where I now I am, I WILL NOT let the car be newer than about 35 years with no ECUS and with an engine no smaller than 6.6 litres

[Frik]

Marquis_Rex said:

...I now reside in the USA/South Carolina.

[Bodo]

Marquis_Rex said:

Bodo said:

Marquis_Rex said:

Anyway, how can anyone compare Bracqs timeless masterpiece with Bangles dogs dinner?

Honest, Rup, it wasn't me.

We should get Rene to manufacture a GRP stick-on shark nose for Bangle's dogs dinner

BTW, I've ordered a new car, do we want to sample it, when it arrives in late May? A hoon through the Taunus?

Hi mate, what did you buy? I would love to sample it, only problem is that I now reside in the USA/South Carolina.
I travel to Germany a bit, but it tends to be more Bavaria instead....
I'm in the market for a 'new' car also, only because the climate is great where I now I am, I WILL NOT let the car be newer than about 35 years with no ECUS and with an engine no smaller than 6.6 litres

Congratulations, mate! Sounds like you arrived; in two ways

My new car shall have 204PS from an unmodified two litre engine. yhm

[Marquis_Rex]

Bodo said:

Marquis_Rex said:

Bodo said:

Marquis_Rex said:

Anyway, how can anyone compare Bracqs timeless masterpiece with Bangles dogs dinner?

Honest, Rup, it wasn't me.

We should get Rene to manufacture a GRP stick-on shark nose for Bangle's dogs dinner

BTW, I've ordered a new car, do we want to sample it, when it arrives in late May? A hoon through the Taunus?

Hi mate, what did you buy? I would love to sample it, only problem is that I now reside in the USA/South Carolina.
I travel to Germany a bit, but it tends to be more Bavaria instead....
I'm in the market for a 'new' car also, only because the climate is great where I now I am, I WILL NOT let the car be newer than about 35 years with no ECUS and with an engine no smaller than 6.6 litres

Congratulations, mate! Sounds like you arrived; in two ways

My new car shall have 204PS from an unmodified two litre engine. yhm

I was going to hazard a guess that it was a 3 litre 911 SC -but then re-read it as a 2 litre . All I can think of is a Ford Sierra Cosworth ....The Mercedes 190E 2.3/2.5 is ruled out as it is too big an engine as is the M3- the Italian spec 320iS produces only 192 Bhp
I can only imagine it's something Japanese then, like a Honda....
Although it could be a newish boosted dieseasel of some sort?
BTW still haven't received any email....

Edited by Marquis_Rex on Wednesday 16th April 00:14

[sharkfan]

Marquis_Rex said:

Seems like the source of these figures have done some SERIOUS data doctoring.

The M635 CSi was even quoted by BMW as being a fast car- faster than posted here.

I also think the fuel economy figure quoted is unfair as the old style steady cycle figures cant be directly compared to the newer EUDC style figures. Again a case of selective data doctoring. I wouldn't be suprised if the worst case fuel consumption of the M635 CSi was compared to a much better case of the 1 series.

Anyway, how can anyone compare Bracqs timeless masterpiece with Bangles dogs dinner?
One was inspired, the other is a fashion accesory, thoroughly engineered if overly complicated and robust?

As a former M635 owner I can attest first-hand to the rubbish of the performance figures. My current Alpina does the sixty dash in around 5 secconds and the M6 didn't feel appreciably slower. No way was it 7.7! Around 6 would be more on the money.

As for the fuel economy though, I'm not sure that's too far out. Mine drank for Britain and the only thing that saved it was the large fuel tank (70 litres from memory). I used to regularly see the out-laws in York (400 mile round trip on motorways) and would never be able to do it on one tank. Autocar's original test talked about a combined mpg of 22...

My old car is actually up for sale (can't buy her back as I'm buying a new house). She's a good one make no mistake: http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C32809