Alpina - handbuilt?

Alpina - handbuilt?

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Rod Rammage

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2,557 posts

201 months

Wednesday 23rd April 2008
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Hello

Been looking at Alpina B10s.

I understand that these cars are, to some extent, handbuilt.

I have tried to find out how handbuilt they are. I have failed.

So.

How handbuilt are they?

Is it just the Alpina bits that are stuck on by hand, or is it something else?


Thanks.

Rod

Mustard

6,992 posts

246 months

Wednesday 23rd April 2008
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Hand finished is more how i'd describe them

Your 'quality' mass produced BMW taken to Saville Row for a bit of cosmetic and mechanical fettling

The best of both worlds

Handmade cars = Often Problematic

Mass Produced cars (read Bentley GT these days!!) = Not that special

Edited by Mustard on Wednesday 23 April 12:41

Rod Rammage

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201 months

Wednesday 23rd April 2008
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That would have been my guess.

Thanks Mustard.

MK4 Slowride

10,028 posts

209 months

Wednesday 23rd April 2008
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I always thought the engines were stripped and after being re-bored hand built back together. Also they're more a cruising type of car, performance cruisers, unlimited.


ETA: I forget where I heard it but the wheels you see on virtually all Alpina models (the spokey ones) are specifically designed like that so the valve is protected. Alpina spent a st load of money on developing them as well.

Edited by MK4 Slowride on Wednesday 23 April 14:25

B3Svert

553 posts

193 months

Wednesday 23rd April 2008
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Mustard said:
The best of both worlds
Totally agree. I have been running my Alpina B3S for 6 months now with no issues. Alpina are a manufacturer rather than a tuner but as officially the car is a BMW Alpina B3S it still comes under BMW warranty and all servicing can be done by BMW.

In theory.

In practice, the local numpties at my dealership seem to have no clue what it is.

If you're considering one, I would advise you to drive one, fall in love and buy it. Go for the B10 V8S if you can, a hell of a lot of car for your money. Take a look at www.thealpinaregister.com for loads more info.

sharkfan

242 posts

232 months

Wednesday 23rd April 2008
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Mustard said:
Hand finished is more how i'd describe them

Your 'quality' mass produced BMW taken to Saville Row for a bit of cosmetic and mechanical fettling

The best of both worlds

Handmade cars = Often Problematic

Mass Produced cars (read Bentley GT these days!!) = Not that special

Edited by Mustard on Wednesday 23 April 12:41
The basic changes are the wheels, suspension, gearbox (swap to switchtronic usually), interior and engine. All the engines are hand-built and they add on their own aero package to the car. I've been running my Roadster S as a daily driver for 11 months and 14k miles and it hasn't skipped a beat. You get the benefit too of standard BMW service intervals (although that does mean standard BMW customer service sometimes frown)...

Rod Rammage

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Thursday 24th April 2008
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B3Svert said:
Go for the B10 V8S if you can, a hell of a lot of car for your money.
Is it true that the V6 has rack and pinion steering but the V8 has recirculating ball steering?

B3Svert

553 posts

193 months

Thursday 24th April 2008
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Rod Rammage said:
B3Svert said:
Go for the B10 V8S if you can, a hell of a lot of car for your money.
Is it true that the V6 has rack and pinion steering but the V8 has recirculating ball steering?
The straight six has R&P apart from in the e46 M3 IIRC, (BMW have not done a V6) and the recirculating ball has been used in the e39 V8's including the M5 and the 540i which is what the B10 V8's are based on.

belleair302

6,847 posts

208 months

Thursday 24th April 2008
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BMW Car magazine has a buyers guide to the car in this months issue. Alpina take a car from BMW, then add / improve the major performance parts, ie ECU's, suspension parts, pistons, exhausts, interior parts and wheels / body panels. Very few people ever regret owning an Alpina.

What you are buying is a bespoke car....engineered by BMW and then reengineered by Alpina who are registered car builders not aftermarket tuners. Once you have owned one you will probably never go back to a standard BMW again.

Rod Rammage

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Thursday 24th April 2008
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belleair302 said:
BMW Car magazine has a buyers guide to the car in this months issue. Alpina take a car from BMW, then add / improve the major performance parts, ie ECU's, suspension parts, pistons, exhausts, interior parts and wheels / body panels. Very few people ever regret owning an Alpina.

What you are buying is a bespoke car....engineered by BMW and then reengineered by Alpina who are registered car builders not aftermarket tuners. Once you have owned one you will probably never go back to a standard BMW again.
You swine.

Now I want one badly.

MK4 Slowride

10,028 posts

209 months

Thursday 24th April 2008
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Rod Rammage said:
belleair302 said:
BMW Car magazine has a buyers guide to the car in this months issue. Alpina take a car from BMW, then add / improve the major performance parts, ie ECU's, suspension parts, pistons, exhausts, interior parts and wheels / body panels. Very few people ever regret owning an Alpina.

What you are buying is a bespoke car....engineered by BMW and then reengineered by Alpina who are registered car builders not aftermarket tuners. Once you have owned one you will probably never go back to a standard BMW again.
You swine.

Now I want one badly.
If you find one you like Rod mail me & I can give you the build sheet etc for it.

Rod Rammage

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MK4 Slowride said:
If you find one you like Rod mail me & I can give you the build sheet etc for it.
Many thanks.

Just need to get rid of my wife first.

That cow would see me in a Micra.

Me, with my cojones!

belleair302

6,847 posts

208 months

Thursday 24th April 2008
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I am torn about buying a V8s (E39 model) or the Alpina Roadster S for the summer. Both are fast, understated, sound wonderful and would I know reward both as an ownership prospect and as cars which beg to be driven.

Roggia

84 posts

201 months

Thursday 24th April 2008
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I run a B10 V8S and can vouch for how great a car it is. The V8 rumble alone when turning the key was enough to win me over. The car just goes, turns and stops beautifully. It delivers its 375bhp and 500Nm of torque in a silky smooth style, surprisingly unlike the M5.

As an overall proposition, I actually preferred it to the e39 M5.

CommanderJameson

22,096 posts

227 months

Thursday 24th April 2008
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I pine for an E39 B10 - the 3.3, rather than the 4.2, because I'd rather have a straight six than a V8.

280HP is more than enough to get me into plenty of trouble.

One day, one day...

ETA: This sort of thing: http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/385975.htm

Edited by CommanderJameson on Thursday 24th April 13:06

Rod Rammage

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Thursday 24th April 2008
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This one gives me a "special feeling":

http://www.munichlegends.co.uk/sales/stock_details...

CommanderJameson

22,096 posts

227 months

Thursday 24th April 2008
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Rod Rammage said:
This one gives me a "special feeling":

http://www.munichlegends.co.uk/sales/stock_details...
That'd make you moist, I reckon. Shame it's not black.

Spokey

2,246 posts

210 months

Thursday 24th April 2008
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Rod Rammage said:
I'm giving myself a "special feeling"
EFA. hehe

B3Svert

553 posts

193 months

Thursday 24th April 2008
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That's the lower powered 4.6 V8, the V8S is 4.8L with 375bhp/367lb tf compared to 347bhp & 354lb ft for the 4.6. V8S was produced from 02 I think.