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Last time I looked they were £30k +
Now even decent ones from main dealer are below £20k.
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/522076.htm
I've never been a fan of the shape or interior of the new model but I'll happily admit it's hugely superior dynamically.
I'm very tempted!
(Apologies to you XJR owners, not trying to rub it in just genuinely amazed at what value these 400bhp super-saloons are !!!)
Now even decent ones from main dealer are below £20k.
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/522076.htm
I've never been a fan of the shape or interior of the new model but I'll happily admit it's hugely superior dynamically.
I'm very tempted!
(Apologies to you XJR owners, not trying to rub it in just genuinely amazed at what value these 400bhp super-saloons are !!!)
Yes indedy.. I'm beginning to wonder if the high cost of fuel and the threat of retospective increases in road tax can actually be turned into a advantage.
Most of the cost of running a Jaguar for a period of a few years - if you're paying for it out of your own pocket is depreciation. Do away with the several thousands lost each year by buying a older car in good condition and with a reasonable mileage that's already plummeted in value 'cos nobody wants it and you've got a potential bargain. I always look at running a XJ as not how much it costs overall, but how much more it costs to run than a dreary Eurohatch. OK so road tax may be a couple of hundred quid more - if the proposed changes go ahead - and of course you will spend more on fuel, but if you do the numbers and take everthing into account and compare a middle aged XJ with a ordinary 4 door saloon that's perhaps 2 or 3 years younger there's hardly any difference unless you do intergalatic mileages.
If you ignore the headline hysteria about oil prices and VED changes it looks to me like an older luxury car is an excellent buy. It's still cheaper to buy and drive an middle aged Jaguar than a new Toyota Pious.
Which of course is splendid
Has anybody noticed how quiet the roads have been since petrol went up?
Most of the cost of running a Jaguar for a period of a few years - if you're paying for it out of your own pocket is depreciation. Do away with the several thousands lost each year by buying a older car in good condition and with a reasonable mileage that's already plummeted in value 'cos nobody wants it and you've got a potential bargain. I always look at running a XJ as not how much it costs overall, but how much more it costs to run than a dreary Eurohatch. OK so road tax may be a couple of hundred quid more - if the proposed changes go ahead - and of course you will spend more on fuel, but if you do the numbers and take everthing into account and compare a middle aged XJ with a ordinary 4 door saloon that's perhaps 2 or 3 years younger there's hardly any difference unless you do intergalatic mileages.
If you ignore the headline hysteria about oil prices and VED changes it looks to me like an older luxury car is an excellent buy. It's still cheaper to buy and drive an middle aged Jaguar than a new Toyota Pious.
Which of course is splendid
Has anybody noticed how quiet the roads have been since petrol went up?
It's all such hysteria! Road tax goes up by £200 a year on high emission cars, that's less than £1/day (Starbucks small latte is £2.05) and suddenly the population can't afford their cars. Oil prices are sliding back, the Gov't is never going to get their penal retrospective RFL changes through Parliament, quick by a V8 XJR before the prices go back up!
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Jaguar steve said:
but how much more it costs to run than a dreary Eurohatch.
Even having bought a fairly new, low mileage XJ I think it has worked out cheaper. Bought mine over 12 years ago and still love it. Sure beats changing a boro box every couple of years.
Jaguar steve said:
If you ignore the headline hysteria about oil prices and VED changes it looks to me like an older luxury car is an excellent buy. It's still cheaper to buy and drive an middle aged Jaguar than a new Toyota Pious.
Which of course is splendid
Making new cars produces so much in emissions that running a used car is almost always more environmentally friendly.Which of course is splendid
Of course the Government won't ever slap a carbon levy on new cars. If they did it at the same rate at the so called green tax on fuel, it would probably double the cost of most new cars. The car industry would never accept it, can't go around upsetting car manufactures now can we... it's not like they have a vote, unlike car drivers.
a8hex said:
Of course the Government won't ever slap a carbon levy on new cars. If they did it at the same rate at the so called green tax on fuel, it would probably double the cost of most new cars. The car industry would never accept it, can't go around upsetting car manufactures now can we... it's not like they have a vote, unlike car drivers.
Happened in Denmark.Their tax on new cars is huge. According to this article 180%
http://www.homeofsbc.com/Misc__Text/Car_Taxes/car_...
onlynik said:
a8hex said:
Of course the Government won't ever slap a carbon levy on new cars. If they did it at the same rate at the so called green tax on fuel, it would probably double the cost of most new cars. The car industry would never accept it, can't go around upsetting car manufactures now can we... it's not like they have a vote, unlike car drivers.
Happened in Denmark.Their tax on new cars is huge. According to this article 180%
http://www.homeofsbc.com/Misc__Text/Car_Taxes/car_...
Triple7 said:
It's all such hysteria! Road tax goes up by £200 a year on high emission cars, that's less than £1/day (Starbucks small latte is £2.05) and suddenly the population can't afford their cars. Oil prices are sliding back, the Gov't is never going to get their penal retrospective RFL changes through Parliament, quick by a V8 XJR before the prices go back up!
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Ah yes..but it's easy to see why there's so much anger as the VED system is fatally flawed from an environmental view, and the more the tax is increased on higher emission cars the more obvious it becomes that it's simply a tax raising excercise with no relation whatsoever to the environmental effect of running a car.G
Both my kids do thousands more miles and use much more fuel each year, and by inference cause much more damage to the environment, in their 1.6 VTR/Zetec hot hatches than I do in my XJ.
So why am I paying a lot more VED than they do? This in my view is the reason so many people get hysterical about it all - it's clearly nothing to do with environmental concerns at all, but a blatent tax grab, with nothing given in return.
Cruising 4 up on a motorway my XJ does over 110 passenger miles per gallon - hard to beat that for eco-friendly transport surely?
Every time I go to work I burn around 60,000ltrs, so my car is not a major factor in the scheme of things. Tax grab it is. You could see the dollar signs in the politicians eyes when they totted up the numbers of all the existing cars in the DVLA database and applied the retrospective tax element and thought 'JACKPOT!'.
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Triple7 said:
It's all such hysteria! Road tax goes up by £200 a year on high emission cars, that's less than £1/day (Starbucks small latte is £2.05) and suddenly the population can't afford their cars. Oil prices are sliding back, the Gov't is never going to get their penal retrospective RFL changes through Parliament, quick by a V8 XJR before the prices go back up!
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It does hurt writing that cheque for £200 for road tax...£435 would be a killer G
NormanD said:
Paracetamol said:
It does hurt writing that cheque for £200 for road tax...£435 would be a killer
Do the same as 10% of car owners, don't bother.Also why pay for a MOT even if it would pass, then forget about the Insurance.
Makes me feel the Mug for paying out each year.
Paracetamol said:
Triple7 said:
It's all such hysteria! Road tax goes up by £200 a year on high emission cars, that's less than £1/day (Starbucks small latte is £2.05) and suddenly the population can't afford their cars. Oil prices are sliding back, the Gov't is never going to get their penal retrospective RFL changes through Parliament, quick by a V8 XJR before the prices go back up!
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It does hurt writing that cheque for £200 for road tax...£435 would be a killer G
At the same time do away completely with the existing excise duty and VAT on fuel and issue a little round paper disc for a couple of quid to cover the cost of administration so there's visible proof you still have valid insurance cover and a MOT.
That way there's a direct relationship between revenue and C02 emissions meaning the polluter pays to clean up after himself. Nobody is able to evade payment. Forigen vehicles would be forced to cough up too. The more miles you do, the heavier your vehicle and the more you wear out the roads would be fairly covered as well.
Is that fairer? Well it seems reasonable to me. Will it ever happen? I'd guess not somehow.
Pass the Vaseline Darling, I'm just off to fill up.
Trouble is Steve, the RFL isn't to pay for the environmental impact and wear and tear to roads, it is just cash to prop up another part of the 'system'. It would great if each tax raising part of the system was put into a separate pot to be spent on the area it was raised from. Then you could easily see which part was in surplus and which was a drain.
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Paracetamol said:
Triple7 said:
It's all such hysteria! Road tax goes up by £200 a year on high emission cars, that's less than £1/day (Starbucks small latte is £2.05) and suddenly the population can't afford their cars. Oil prices are sliding back, the Gov't is never going to get their penal retrospective RFL changes through Parliament, quick by a V8 XJR before the prices go back up!
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It does hurt writing that cheque for £200 for road tax...£435 would be a killer G
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Triple7 said:
Trouble is Steve, the RFL isn't to pay for the environmental impact and wear and tear to roads, it is just cash to prop up another part of the 'system'. It would great if each tax raising part of the system was put into a separate pot to be spent on the area it was raised from. Then you could easily see which part was in surplus and which was a drain.
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I know.. I know... dammit 
Yes, I agree - XJRs are amazing value now. What is happening is that the trade only price guides are writing them down at the same rate as the ordinary big saloon models without regard for their "supercar" or iconic status. I am a car broker and bought my own 2000 370bhp V8 XJR a year ago. I expected to have a couple of years motoring and then sell it for what I paid for it, having bought it cheap in the trade, as we do. Last year, I could have advertised it for 9k, now it is probably worth less than 6.5k, so that didn't work did it?!!
I have owned just about every marque out there but there is something about the XJR - it just makes me smile smugly to myself and it turns more heads than all the BMW and Audi Cabriolets, X5s and other prestige badges that have passed through my hands in recent months. Maybe I should sell it and buy a newer 400bhp beasty!
I have owned just about every marque out there but there is something about the XJR - it just makes me smile smugly to myself and it turns more heads than all the BMW and Audi Cabriolets, X5s and other prestige badges that have passed through my hands in recent months. Maybe I should sell it and buy a newer 400bhp beasty!
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