968CS - Info Required
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Hi People,
Need some help I'm considering buying my first Porsche and current thinking is a 968CS as I will only be using it at the weekends. Problem is I can't find any detailed info on specs. I've talked to a few people selling cars and keep getting different info. Can anyone help answer the questions noted below and also point me in the right direction about what to look for when buying.
What is the Standard Spec?
What was on the options list?
What was included in the M030 option and was it fitted as standard on CS models?
What are the service intervals & costs(minor, major & timing belt)?
Any idea on running costs, looking at doing approx 3-5k miles a year.
Is it worth paying the extra for a 964RS (has to be RHD).
Cheers,
Kam
Need some help I'm considering buying my first Porsche and current thinking is a 968CS as I will only be using it at the weekends. Problem is I can't find any detailed info on specs. I've talked to a few people selling cars and keep getting different info. Can anyone help answer the questions noted below and also point me in the right direction about what to look for when buying.
What is the Standard Spec?
What was on the options list?
What was included in the M030 option and was it fitted as standard on CS models?
What are the service intervals & costs(minor, major & timing belt)?
Any idea on running costs, looking at doing approx 3-5k miles a year.
Is it worth paying the extra for a 964RS (has to be RHD).
Cheers,
Kam
Some info may be found in the following threads which were found doing a search for "968CS" in the Porsche Forum of PH.
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/Search.asp?mode=doit&h=0
Of the above threads the following maybe of particular interest:
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=55474&f=48&h=0&hw=968CS
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=36827&f=48&h=0&hw=968CS
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=42105&f=48&h=0&hw=968CS
DAZ
(If Paul AKA "clubsport" is about and comments on the 968CS take his comments as gospel.)
>> Edited by dazren on Thursday 2nd October 20:01
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/Search.asp?mode=doit&h=0
Of the above threads the following maybe of particular interest:
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=55474&f=48&h=0&hw=968CS
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=36827&f=48&h=0&hw=968CS
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=42105&f=48&h=0&hw=968CS
DAZ
(If Paul AKA "clubsport" is about and comments on the 968CS take his comments as gospel.)
>> Edited by dazren on Thursday 2nd October 20:01
david hype said:
Kam
The "extra" might cost you the same as another 968CS (RHD)
Now... two 968CS`s or a single 964RS? there`s a question!
Even more then that for the prices some people pay for mint low miles RHD 964RS's you could get 2 mint low miles RHD 968CS's and a higher miles LHD one for track days plus a tatty LHD 964C2 thrown into the bargain !!
Iguana,
Well the answer to the Ferrari idea is very simple. "Insurance". I'm 25 and with a limited mileage policy of 3k a year I was still getting qoutes in the region of 4k. The reason for looking at the Ferrari was that is was very cheap which meant I probably wouldn't have lost any cash after a couple of years ownership.
Thats why I'm torn between 15k for a 968CS or 30k for a 964. Is the 964 really worth 15k more. Isurance is very reasonable on th 968, still got to get a quote on the 964.
Well the answer to the Ferrari idea is very simple. "Insurance". I'm 25 and with a limited mileage policy of 3k a year I was still getting qoutes in the region of 4k. The reason for looking at the Ferrari was that is was very cheap which meant I probably wouldn't have lost any cash after a couple of years ownership.
Thats why I'm torn between 15k for a 968CS or 30k for a 964. Is the 964 really worth 15k more. Isurance is very reasonable on th 968, still got to get a quote on the 964.
dj fair enough.
Its a tough question to answer if a 964RS is worth far more than a CS (the difference at current market rates between mint low miles CS to RS is nearer 25k tho, not 15k) so for the price of 1 RHD RS you could just about get 3 RHD CS's!!
They are very different cars you will have to drive a couple of each to make up your mind.
A CS will be a lot easier for a novice to drive hard & wont 'bite' like an RS if you drive beyond your abilities & are not that much slower than a standard RS (not many standard one left tho) and in the rain (or even on a bumpy UK B road) an average driver in an RS will just see the CS with a driver of the same or even less ability clear off into the distance, however an RS offers a raw & undiluted experience that pretty much anyother car simply cannot offer.
I love CS's & feel that are truely a great car, but in truth if CS & RS were both the same price I'd have an RS. (but if a 993RS was the same price too I'd have one like a shot..)
Its a tough question to answer if a 964RS is worth far more than a CS (the difference at current market rates between mint low miles CS to RS is nearer 25k tho, not 15k) so for the price of 1 RHD RS you could just about get 3 RHD CS's!!
They are very different cars you will have to drive a couple of each to make up your mind.
A CS will be a lot easier for a novice to drive hard & wont 'bite' like an RS if you drive beyond your abilities & are not that much slower than a standard RS (not many standard one left tho) and in the rain (or even on a bumpy UK B road) an average driver in an RS will just see the CS with a driver of the same or even less ability clear off into the distance, however an RS offers a raw & undiluted experience that pretty much anyother car simply cannot offer.
I love CS's & feel that are truely a great car, but in truth if CS & RS were both the same price I'd have an RS. (but if a 993RS was the same price too I'd have one like a shot..)
Words of wisdom from Iggy.
A 968CS is a fantastic car, and the performance is very accessible.
The 964RS is a better car IMHO dynamically and in terms of character, but it is not as accessible financially and the extra performance is difficult for an average driver to extract - especially in the wet.
The 968CS flatters you, the 964RS challenges you.
Would you rather have a pet labrador or a pet alligator? One is more exciting to own, but more of a handful and much more expensive.
A driver of SFV's (forum member) abilities would probably enjoy the next level of performance offered by a 964RS (he has a 968CS). A 964RS driver of my abilities would probably feel more comfortable on most tracks in a 968CS. But I like to live on the edge (normally the edge of the road that meets the grass verge
).
ATB
Domster
A 968CS is a fantastic car, and the performance is very accessible.
The 964RS is a better car IMHO dynamically and in terms of character, but it is not as accessible financially and the extra performance is difficult for an average driver to extract - especially in the wet.
The 968CS flatters you, the 964RS challenges you.
Would you rather have a pet labrador or a pet alligator? One is more exciting to own, but more of a handful and much more expensive.
A driver of SFV's (forum member) abilities would probably enjoy the next level of performance offered by a 964RS (he has a 968CS). A 964RS driver of my abilities would probably feel more comfortable on most tracks in a 968CS. But I like to live on the edge (normally the edge of the road that meets the grass verge
). ATB
Domster
This for a pal -awaiting full details and pix, then I'll post it in the proper place (sorry Dom) .
Anyway, in reply to the thread -got to be an RS, innit?
"Would you rather have a pet labrador or a pet alligator?"
Or in Dom's case, a badger....
Melv
"Life is full of tit's and time wasters! My immaculate speed yellow 968 club
sport is back on the market. 44K miles, totally original. It really is a
bargain at 15K. Does anybody have an interest?
Steve R - mobile 07968 154505"
>> Edited by Melv on Friday 3rd October 10:45
. Anyway, in reply to the thread -got to be an RS, innit?
"Would you rather have a pet labrador or a pet alligator?"
Or in Dom's case, a badger....
Melv
"Life is full of tit's and time wasters! My immaculate speed yellow 968 club
sport is back on the market. 44K miles, totally original. It really is a
bargain at 15K. Does anybody have an interest?
Steve R - mobile 07968 154505"
>> Edited by Melv on Friday 3rd October 10:45
I totally agree with Iguana's comments.
The 964RS is an all round more special experience than the 968CS. It's also a heck of a lot more expensive although both should retain their value nicely if looked after. I own a 968CS with MO30 pack, and it really comes to life when you're driving it hard. I do all of this on tracks, and its handling is sublime. When you're driving it at 80% it's a more ordinary experience - the engine note in particular is uninspiring for a Porsche. Despite that I always have a smile on my face whenever I'm behind the wheel.
If I was after a fast road car with the occasional trackday I would take the 964RS. It shouldn't cost you anything in depreciation if you buy at the right price to start with.
If, like me, the car is more of a pure track toy, the 968CS is a great car to learn in as it offers so much feedback and is user friendly. The 964RS can bite back and requires more skill to drive fast but ultimately is significantly quicker than a 968CS.
I'd point you towards this months Evo magazine which has a secondhand buying guide on the 968 Clubsport, and explains a lot of the questions you'd like answered.
Regards,
Euan
The 964RS is an all round more special experience than the 968CS. It's also a heck of a lot more expensive although both should retain their value nicely if looked after. I own a 968CS with MO30 pack, and it really comes to life when you're driving it hard. I do all of this on tracks, and its handling is sublime. When you're driving it at 80% it's a more ordinary experience - the engine note in particular is uninspiring for a Porsche. Despite that I always have a smile on my face whenever I'm behind the wheel.
If I was after a fast road car with the occasional trackday I would take the 964RS. It shouldn't cost you anything in depreciation if you buy at the right price to start with.
If, like me, the car is more of a pure track toy, the 968CS is a great car to learn in as it offers so much feedback and is user friendly. The 964RS can bite back and requires more skill to drive fast but ultimately is significantly quicker than a 968CS.
I'd point you towards this months Evo magazine which has a secondhand buying guide on the 968 Clubsport, and explains a lot of the questions you'd like answered.
Regards,
Euan
Thanks for the info guys, it's looking like a 968cs, I think I'd kill myself in an RS.
What's the score with the M030 option, is it worth waiting for a car with this option. I'm in not in a hurry to buy as I have a company car.
Still awaiting any info on specs and options list info if anyone got anything.
What's the score with the M030 option, is it worth waiting for a car with this option. I'm in not in a hurry to buy as I have a company car.
Still awaiting any info on specs and options list info if anyone got anything.
Regards specs, here are the differences between a normal 968 v a standard Clubsport v Clubsport with MO30 pack. Hope this comes out readable?
Porsche 968 equipment specifications:
Item /968 /Club Sport /M030 Package
Springs /Standard /Shorter -20mm F+R /A bit higher springrate, same
size
Dampers /Standard /Standard /Koni, adjustable
Anti Sway Bar /Standard /Standard /Adjustable,diameter: 30mm
front, 19 mm rear
Strut Brace /No /No /Upgrade Option
Clutch /Standard /Standard /Upgrade Option without 2-mass
flywheel
Brakes /Standard /Standard /Larger caliper, discs,
ventilated
Dif. Lock /No /No /Torsen, 40% normally
Front Seats /Standard /Racing /Racing
Rear Seats /Standard /None /None
Windows /Electric /Manual /Manual
Tub /Rust Prot. /Painted /Painted
Roll Bar /No /No /Half Cage
Wheels /Standard /Painted, 7,5&9J17 /Painted, 7,5&9J17
The MO30 cars are more desired by the trackday crew as they have stiffer suspension, bigger brakes, and limited slip differential. This higher demand = higher prices for these cars. On the road the suspension does make you grimace when you hit a pothole, much as would be the case in a 964RS.
Euan
Porsche 968 equipment specifications:
Item /968 /Club Sport /M030 Package
Springs /Standard /Shorter -20mm F+R /A bit higher springrate, same
size
Dampers /Standard /Standard /Koni, adjustable
Anti Sway Bar /Standard /Standard /Adjustable,diameter: 30mm
front, 19 mm rear
Strut Brace /No /No /Upgrade Option
Clutch /Standard /Standard /Upgrade Option without 2-mass
flywheel
Brakes /Standard /Standard /Larger caliper, discs,
ventilated
Dif. Lock /No /No /Torsen, 40% normally
Front Seats /Standard /Racing /Racing
Rear Seats /Standard /None /None
Windows /Electric /Manual /Manual
Tub /Rust Prot. /Painted /Painted
Roll Bar /No /No /Half Cage
Wheels /Standard /Painted, 7,5&9J17 /Painted, 7,5&9J17
The MO30 cars are more desired by the trackday crew as they have stiffer suspension, bigger brakes, and limited slip differential. This higher demand = higher prices for these cars. On the road the suspension does make you grimace when you hit a pothole, much as would be the case in a 964RS.
Euan
If you are doing trackwork, I'd go for M030 - mainly for the brakes. Some people think the standard ones are OK, but I just wouldn't trust them (the brakes, not the people ). The MO30 brakes were substantially bigger.
You can upgrade the brakes separately (Scottster has AP racing four pots on his, which are superb).
I found the standard suspension and lack of LSD fine on track, but I am not an expert driver and maybe an LSD would help lap times (power on earlier out of a corner perhaps).
If you are mainly going to use the car on road, the standard car is fine.
ATB
Domster
). The MO30 brakes were substantially bigger. You can upgrade the brakes separately (Scottster has AP racing four pots on his, which are superb).
I found the standard suspension and lack of LSD fine on track, but I am not an expert driver and maybe an LSD would help lap times (power on earlier out of a corner perhaps).
If you are mainly going to use the car on road, the standard car is fine.
ATB
Domster
SFV said:
A driver of SFV's (forum member) abilities would probably enjoy the next level of performance offered by a 964RS (he has a 968CS).
Domster
I look forward to finding out one dayDom? Dom? Dom? Are you still there?
Euan
As soon as the Baron is battle ready, you are welcome. Or you can try the Ultima when that is built, whichever is sooner. (Book that trackday now for 2012!)
Hello,
Also the M030 springs do not have the same diameter as the other springs. They are smaller.
As far as I know the single mass flywheel is the same as on the 968 turbo S. Apparently it is impossible to find, even by Porsche Motorsport.
Actually the limited slip diff was a separate option coded M220. It could be ordered without M030, although 99% of M030'd cars will feature the M220 option code as well.
Are you sure about this ?
I already have seen a couple of factory M030 968 CS without any cage.
M030 also includes specific brake lines and stiffer suspension bushings. Rear dampers feature coil over springs (on 968 M030 only)
SFV said:
Springs /Standard /Shorter -20mm F+R /A bit higher springrate, same
size
Also the M030 springs do not have the same diameter as the other springs. They are smaller.
SFV said:
Clutch /Standard /Standard /Upgrade Option without 2-mass
flywheel
As far as I know the single mass flywheel is the same as on the 968 turbo S. Apparently it is impossible to find, even by Porsche Motorsport.
SFV said:
Dif. Lock /No /No /Torsen, 40% normally
Actually the limited slip diff was a separate option coded M220. It could be ordered without M030, although 99% of M030'd cars will feature the M220 option code as well.
SFV said:
Roll Bar /No /No /Half Cage
Are you sure about this ?
I already have seen a couple of factory M030 968 CS without any cage.
M030 also includes specific brake lines and stiffer suspension bushings. Rear dampers feature coil over springs (on 968 M030 only)
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