Cayenne V8 data (and tranny made in Japan)
Discussion
Here is a great spec piece on the Cayenne V8, which appears to follow the engineering of the 928 and 944 series, with silicon aluminum cylinder walls, bottom end carriage holding the crank to the block, but with siamese cylinder bores this time.
www.kolbenschmidt.de/pdfdoc/porsche_v8_gb_e.pdf
To quote "Mudman2", here is some info on the Cayenne transmission "MADE IN JAPAN", sheesh, tell me it ain't so:
"Asian Trnasmission Co. was setup as a joint venture by Nisho-Iwai Co., Ltd., Mitsubishi Motors Corp., and Chrysler Philippines. I believe the Jeep used an early version. The company may now be solely owned by Mitsubishi and their main engine and transmission plant is in the Philippines.
I also believe specific designs are produced for Honda, Lexus, Mazda, Mazda, Infiniti, Nissan and Toyota."
Looking at the attached PDF info, it looks like Porsche takes no shortcuts with the engine, as it follows a very expensive and effective design pioneered by the 928 and used by the 944. Buying a transmission is not new either, as the 928 used a Mercedes automatic tranny adapted to a Porsche transaxle. THey also used a VW (or perhaps Audi) automatic tranny in the low volume 944 automatic. They used an Audi motor in the original 924, which got them nothing but howls for more power. However, Porsche purged all of these outsourced parts eventually, making their OWN in-house products. Let's hope the "accounting department" doesn't start eyeing the motor, because I sure would hate to find a cheaper "more profitable" Lexus motor hiding in a Cayenne sporting "Porsche" valve covers. Personally I don't like the sales pitch of "GERMAN ENGINEERING" only to find we have a transmission made "somewhere" on the Pacific Rim.
Happy reading,
P
www.kolbenschmidt.de/pdfdoc/porsche_v8_gb_e.pdf
To quote "Mudman2", here is some info on the Cayenne transmission "MADE IN JAPAN", sheesh, tell me it ain't so:
"Asian Trnasmission Co. was setup as a joint venture by Nisho-Iwai Co., Ltd., Mitsubishi Motors Corp., and Chrysler Philippines. I believe the Jeep used an early version. The company may now be solely owned by Mitsubishi and their main engine and transmission plant is in the Philippines.
I also believe specific designs are produced for Honda, Lexus, Mazda, Mazda, Infiniti, Nissan and Toyota."
Looking at the attached PDF info, it looks like Porsche takes no shortcuts with the engine, as it follows a very expensive and effective design pioneered by the 928 and used by the 944. Buying a transmission is not new either, as the 928 used a Mercedes automatic tranny adapted to a Porsche transaxle. THey also used a VW (or perhaps Audi) automatic tranny in the low volume 944 automatic. They used an Audi motor in the original 924, which got them nothing but howls for more power. However, Porsche purged all of these outsourced parts eventually, making their OWN in-house products. Let's hope the "accounting department" doesn't start eyeing the motor, because I sure would hate to find a cheaper "more profitable" Lexus motor hiding in a Cayenne sporting "Porsche" valve covers. Personally I don't like the sales pitch of "GERMAN ENGINEERING" only to find we have a transmission made "somewhere" on the Pacific Rim.
Happy reading,
P
I don't really know. I'm not a big fan of the Cayenne, although I sure would like on in the driveway, I'm more concerned about the "polished turd" referred to in another post dilluting the marque that was otherwise known for building fine sporting cars.
The fact that the Cayenne shares a body with the VW variant allready, means it's more of a hybrid than we think. If Porsche sells a product with a motor built by someone else, sheesh, it's time to really complain about their "badge engineering" marketing program, so let's hope it doesn't happen. Greed has driven Porsche into the Cayenne, let's hope "engineering excellence" takes over from here on (again).
Dogsharks
The fact that the Cayenne shares a body with the VW variant allready, means it's more of a hybrid than we think. If Porsche sells a product with a motor built by someone else, sheesh, it's time to really complain about their "badge engineering" marketing program, so let's hope it doesn't happen. Greed has driven Porsche into the Cayenne, let's hope "engineering excellence" takes over from here on (again).
Dogsharks
Actually, I believe Porsche was the "world's most profitable automobile manufacturer" for a couple years in a row. That's why I think "greed" was the driver for the Cayenne, rathern than inspiration or engineering excellence.
As a former corporate president, I was very surprised to see their board vote for such a "risk" when it appeared that they were doing everything right already. It was a major investment in tooling, they ran the risk of having some mechanical malfunction that would tarnish their stellar reputation, and the competition isn't exactly a push-over.
I believe the company is being run as a business, which is understandable, but I fear they are building themselves up on paper for a juicy acquisition, rather than building the future of the marque. That's "business" to some people.
I would hope their board of directors would have a goal to remain independent, remain profitable, build fine products, enhance their design and engineering consulting business, and most importantly..........protect the heritage of the "all German" company for generations to come.
Just look at the UK right now. Their flagship cars have ALL (with the sole exception of TVR) been sold off to big manufacturing concerns outside of the country. I'm an American, but I think it's sad to see. I'm a big fan of cars built in England, having a '74 TVR, and having owned a TR-6 I imported new. Seeing Jaguar, Aston Martin, Rover, and now Rolls Royce and Bently go to other countries makes me sick. I especially hate to see Rolls Royce, the company who helped defeat German aggression, end up under German control, not because I hate the Germans (my German ancestors came to America in 1753) but because I relish the history and heritage of what Rolls Royce stood for in UK (and of course, still does, but to a lesser extent now).
The Cayenne seems to be selling, so Porsche looks like they're on good financial ground, at least that's the public information being put forth. The Cayenne can hardly be the vehicle that saves Porsche though, because they were already the worlds most profitable auto company. I just hope it's not the vehicle that destroys Porsche, through sucking out funds from their other programs (such as racing) and dilluting the brand over time.
regards, Dogsharks
As a former corporate president, I was very surprised to see their board vote for such a "risk" when it appeared that they were doing everything right already. It was a major investment in tooling, they ran the risk of having some mechanical malfunction that would tarnish their stellar reputation, and the competition isn't exactly a push-over.
I believe the company is being run as a business, which is understandable, but I fear they are building themselves up on paper for a juicy acquisition, rather than building the future of the marque. That's "business" to some people.
I would hope their board of directors would have a goal to remain independent, remain profitable, build fine products, enhance their design and engineering consulting business, and most importantly..........protect the heritage of the "all German" company for generations to come.
Just look at the UK right now. Their flagship cars have ALL (with the sole exception of TVR) been sold off to big manufacturing concerns outside of the country. I'm an American, but I think it's sad to see. I'm a big fan of cars built in England, having a '74 TVR, and having owned a TR-6 I imported new. Seeing Jaguar, Aston Martin, Rover, and now Rolls Royce and Bently go to other countries makes me sick. I especially hate to see Rolls Royce, the company who helped defeat German aggression, end up under German control, not because I hate the Germans (my German ancestors came to America in 1753) but because I relish the history and heritage of what Rolls Royce stood for in UK (and of course, still does, but to a lesser extent now).
The Cayenne seems to be selling, so Porsche looks like they're on good financial ground, at least that's the public information being put forth. The Cayenne can hardly be the vehicle that saves Porsche though, because they were already the worlds most profitable auto company. I just hope it's not the vehicle that destroys Porsche, through sucking out funds from their other programs (such as racing) and dilluting the brand over time.
regards, Dogsharks
In advertising folklore, Trill had 99% of the birdseed market. They couldn't sell any more birdseed, yet they wanted to grow revenue.
So they got people to buy more budgies, with the strapline: "An only budgie is a lonely budgie."
This is what the Cayenne lets Porsche do.
They already cater for people who want Porsche sportscars, so why not sell them a SECOND car and double the market opportunity.
The Cayenne is quite simply the ultimate second car for people who love the brand.
If you want a bike, a toaster, kettle, coffee maker, watch etc. you will find that Mr Porsche is also happy to provide. They have quite simply entered another market, with a view to dominating it using their pedigree and core values. And that's just business at the end of the day.
I fully expect to see a Porsche Panel Van (like the Mercedes Sprinter) and Porsche Compact Car (like the Brabus Smart) within 10 years. And Porsche toilet roll, budgie seed, cream crackers etc.
So they got people to buy more budgies, with the strapline: "An only budgie is a lonely budgie."
This is what the Cayenne lets Porsche do.
They already cater for people who want Porsche sportscars, so why not sell them a SECOND car and double the market opportunity.
The Cayenne is quite simply the ultimate second car for people who love the brand.
If you want a bike, a toaster, kettle, coffee maker, watch etc. you will find that Mr Porsche is also happy to provide. They have quite simply entered another market, with a view to dominating it using their pedigree and core values. And that's just business at the end of the day.
I fully expect to see a Porsche Panel Van (like the Mercedes Sprinter) and Porsche Compact Car (like the Brabus Smart) within 10 years. And Porsche toilet roll, budgie seed, cream crackers etc.
dogsharks said:I wasn't aware they were so profitable? Though being the most profitable automobile manufacturer could mean they made the smallest loss in this day and age!?
Actually, I believe Porsche was the "world's most profitable automobile manufacturer" for a couple years in a row. That's why I think "greed" was the driver for the Cayenne, rathern than inspiration or engineering excellence.
Although they may be in no imminent danger of going under, I still think it's important that they continue to grow and diversify their market to better enable them to ride out fluctuations in sales/earnings.
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