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timbobalob

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Monday 20th July 2009
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Whilst watching the Abyss last night, a question dawned on me -

If you are in a submersed station with a moon pool, is the water pressure on the surface of the moon pool the same as outside of the station? I.e. if you are 1 km underwater and the pressure outside is x (and would crush you) would that be the same as in the moon pool?

Or am I completely missing something here?! smile


Zod

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Zod

35,295 posts

259 months

Monday 20th July 2009
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so presumably, the Abyss was (unsurprisingly) a load of bks, becasue you would have needed an airlock betwee the moonpool chamber and the rest of the base at the very least.

timbobalob

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Monday 20th July 2009
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Good call - thanks!

Murray993

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Monday 20th July 2009
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wouldn't the pressure in the room need to equal the water pressure in order to stop the water flooding in. In that case u'd need to be in a pressure suit before you enter the room containing the pool (if the pool is open to the ocean).

King Herald

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217 months

Monday 20th July 2009
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Murray993 said:
wouldn't the pressure in the room need to equal the water pressure in order to stop the water flooding in. In that case u'd need to be in a pressure suit before you enter the room containing the pool (if the pool is open to the ocean).
Bingo. The air pressure would be in the hundreds of PSI, or more, depending on the depth of the station.

Gareth79

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Monday 20th July 2009
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Zod said:
so presumably, the Abyss was (unsurprisingly) a load of bks, becasue you would have needed an airlock betwee the moonpool chamber and the rest of the base at the very least.
The air in the whole structure would be at the surrounding water pressure so an airlock wouldn't be needed. If there was an airlock it would mean that they would need to go through decompression each time, negating the idea of a sub-sea structure.

Edited by Gareth79 on Monday 20th July 16:15

rhinochopig

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Monday 20th July 2009
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Which is why at the end when they rapid surface they make some comment about not having to decompress and all been down to the aliens.

Neil_H

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Monday 20th July 2009
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Zod said:
so presumably, the Abyss was (unsurprisingly) a load of bks, becasue you would have needed an airlock betwee the moonpool chamber and the rest of the base at the very least.
I think the craft in The Abyss was completely underwater like a sub, so it wouldn't need one as the whole place would have to be pressurised.

Wouldn't the amount of pressure needed to keep the water out depend on how deep they're supposed to have been? I'm not sure if you ever know that in the film.

Scrumper

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Monday 20th July 2009
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Zod said:
so presumably, the Abyss was (unsurprisingly) a load of bks, becasue you would have needed an airlock betwee the moonpool chamber and the rest of the base at the very least.
Unless the whole base was pressurised, which would make a great deal of sense as then you would not need to build the thing out of incredibly thick steel since the atmosphere inside would be at very nearly the same pressure as the sea around it. The added bonus would be that if the base was holed for whatever reason the worse that would happen would be the air leaking out slowly - lots of time to fix it.

The trade-off is that, on returning to the surface, you need to go through very long decompression (weeks perhaps) to avoid the bends.

You wouldn't actually use 'air' as we'd know it, it'd be some kind of blend of helium, nitrogen and oxygen more suited to high pressurisation.

Very interesting stuff on 'sealab' if you google it.

aclivity

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189 months

Monday 20th July 2009
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You can stay in a hotel underwater if you like:

http://www.jul.com/frontpage.html

It's not that deep, but it is pressurised enough to allow for a moon pool.

Zod said:
so presumably, the Abyss was (unsurprisingly) a load of bks, becasue you would have needed an airlock betwee the moonpool chamber and the rest of the base at the very least.
So, it's got aliens, who control water to make "air probes" that can explore the station, and a diver reaching huge depths by breathing liquid air, yet you are concerned that the moon pool airlock may have been slightly far fetched biggrin?

Zod

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259 months

Monday 20th July 2009
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Gareth79 said:
Zod said:
so presumably, the Abyss was (unsurprisingly) a load of bks, becasue you would have needed an airlock betwee the moonpool chamber and the rest of the base at the very least.
The air in the whole structure would be at the surrounding water pressure so an airlock wouldn't be needed. If there was an airlock it would mean that they would need to go through decompression each time, negating the idea of a sub-sea structure.

Edited by Gareth79 on Monday 20th July 16:15
but then they wouldn't be able to spend weeks down in the base.

Galileo

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Monday 20th July 2009
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Its amazing what those clever people at Hollywood can do. I think they should close down NASA and get Hollywood working on the next Moon Mission. They'd be there in a week.

Zod

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Monday 20th July 2009
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rhinochopig said:
Which is why at the end when they rapid surface they make some comment about not having to decompress and all been down to the aliens.
great deus ex machina there!