Business Partner Sharing Travel costs?

Business Partner Sharing Travel costs?

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whynotindeed

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5 posts

179 months

Wednesday 22nd July 2009
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short story. started a business running from home, after start up engaged with a partner on basis of sharing profits/costs as we operate in same business area. We both run our own companies and apportion monies dependant on business generation. At the outset it was agreed that we would operate from the existing location ( my home ). We're in the middle of a review and partner has told me that he feels that his travel costs to this place of work are a business expense and as such should be shared ( as we would other costs )- on the basis that if we'd taken offices somewhere between our 2 homes then we'd both be sharing the cost of getting to / manning the office rather than the burden falling to him as he's the only one travelling. I don't want to be unreasonable so am looking for any views ( not views relating to what officially the Revnue say about travel to work that's a seperate issue ).....

Eric Mc

122,345 posts

267 months

Wednesday 22nd July 2009
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Are your businesses two separate limited companies, two separate sole traderships or a genuine business partnership?

Muntu

7,636 posts

201 months

Wednesday 22nd July 2009
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IANAA but I would have thought that the cost of getting to work is a personal cost rather than a business cost - If he were in an employed role would he be billing his employers at the end of the month?

Personally, I would be looking to maybe demerge your partnership if I were you, he doesn't sound like the sort of person that I would want to be in business with.

My 2c

Deva Link

26,934 posts

247 months

Wednesday 22nd July 2009
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Do you charge him for some of the costs you incur in him working at your house?

If the alternative is to get somewhere inbetween, then how much would that cost each of you - presumeably a heck of a lot more than his commuting costs?

whynotindeed

Original Poster:

5 posts

179 months

Wednesday 22nd July 2009
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ok more info. 2 sep ltd co's - majority of business thru 1 of them,depending which co. it's more effective to use but all deals/business apportioned in relation to input, costs split in same ratio.so we share dependant on client ownership ( new 50:50, old/existing 75:25) and the costs that are split also includes an allowance for the office inc elec. I appreciate the argument that if he/we were working as employees then this travel to work would be considered a personal expense. However, his argument is that he views the travel to here as a joint expense ( if he'd started own compnay from home he wouldnt have the travel etc), or premises midway would halve his personal cost. I can see his logic, amd perhaps i'm being unreasonable, but it doesn't feel right to me to be contributing to him coming to our place of work.

Brown and Boris

11,800 posts

237 months

Wednesday 22nd July 2009
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Surely travelling to and from a place of permanant business are not allowable, otherwise we would all be claiming for the trip to work.

Wacky Racer

38,379 posts

249 months

Wednesday 22nd July 2009
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Are you charging him or "his business" any kind of "rent" for the use of your home as his office.

If not, I suggest he's being a tad unreasonable and getting off lightly......Does he have far to travel?

thisislife

344 posts

185 months

Wednesday 22nd July 2009
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If you are in business together and you want it to work I would just see how much he wants in travel expenses and try and work something out. At the end of the day you are working from your home which means you don’t have to travel. If the shoe was on the other foot and you were incurring cost to get to his house would you have his same plight?

I would just try and work something out. How much are we talking here?

You don’t want to blow a decent profit making partnership over travel expenses to your house do you??



thisislife

344 posts

185 months

Wednesday 22nd July 2009
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Brown and Boris said:
Surely travelling to and from a place of permanant business are not allowable, otherwise we would all be claiming for the trip to work.
If your a director of your own Ltd everything can be claimed for blah

svm

293 posts

189 months

Wednesday 22nd July 2009
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He's putting fuel in.

Your putting electric and an office in.

The only difference I can see is one of you is compensated, the other isn't.

If he's going for an argument, then split the businesses apart now. If he's being reasonable, I'd look at a way to give in. wink

Muntu

7,636 posts

201 months

Wednesday 22nd July 2009
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whynotindeed said:
it doesn't feel right to me to be contributing to him coming to our place of work.
It most certainly isn't right. Tell him to take a flying fk at a rolling donut.

Is this the sort of person you really want to be in business with? You are still at the early stages, what will it be like if/when you are making serious money?

Brown and Boris

11,800 posts

237 months

Thursday 23rd July 2009
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thisislife said:
Brown and Boris said:
Surely travelling to and from a place of permanant business are not allowable, otherwise we would all be claiming for the trip to work.
If your a director of your own Ltd everything can be claimed for blah
Ha! If only.....

Eric Mc

122,345 posts

267 months

Thursday 23rd July 2009
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whynotindeed said:
ok more info. 2 sep ltd co's - majority of business thru 1 of them,depending which co. it's more effective to use but all deals/business apportioned in relation to input, costs split in same ratio.so we share dependant on client ownership ( new 50:50, old/existing 75:25) and the costs that are split also includes an allowance for the office inc elec. I appreciate the argument that if he/we were working as employees then this travel to work would be considered a personal expense. However, his argument is that he views the travel to here as a joint expense ( if he'd started own compnay from home he wouldnt have the travel etc), or premises midway would halve his personal cost. I can see his logic, amd perhaps i'm being unreasonable, but it doesn't feel right to me to be contributing to him coming to our place of work.
Sorry, I can't read that.

Could you try posting that again with some semblance of punctuation (it doesn't have to be perfect - just readable) smile

Edited by Eric Mc on Thursday 23 July 15:10

Four Cofffee

11,800 posts

237 months

Thursday 23rd July 2009
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Eric Mc said:
whynotindeed said:
ok more info. 2 sep ltd co's - majority of business thru 1 of them,depending which co. it's more effective to use but all deals/business apportioned in relation to input, costs split in same ratio.so we share dependant on client ownership ( new 50:50, old/existing 75:25) and the costs that are split also includes an allowance for the office inc elec. I appreciate the argument that if he/we were working as employees then this travel to work would be considered a personal expense. However, his argument is that he views the travel to here as a joint expense ( if he'd started own compnay from home he wouldnt have the travel etc), or premises midway would halve his personal cost. I can see his logic, amd perhaps i'm being unreasonable, but it doesn't feel right to me to be contributing to him coming to our place of work.
Sorry, I can't read that.

Could you try posting that again with some semblance of punctuation (it doesn't have to be perfect - just readable) smile

Edited by Eric Mc on Thursday 23 July 15:10


Eric Mc

122,345 posts

267 months

Thursday 23rd July 2009
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I think he's working on the Complete Works of Shakespeare.

Edited by Eric Mc on Thursday 23 July 19:22