Gary McKinnon loses appeal

[thatone1967]

This case absolutlely disgusts me, the guy is just being "fed to the wolves" by our Government.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8298634.stm

[mackie1]

bds.

[NDT]

Ridiculous - any government with any common sense would have looked after this guy... and used his obvious talents to enhance our national security.

[plasticpig]

NDT said:

Ridiculous - any government with any common sense would have looked after this guy... and used his obvious talents to enhance our national security.

He has not really displayed any obvious talent. All he has done is exposed lax security in a supposedly secure network. A security audit or tiger team should have picked this up long before a hacker found his way in. A talented hacker would not have been caught.

[Marf]

plasticpig said:

NDT said:

Ridiculous - any government with any common sense would have looked after this guy... and used his obvious talents to enhance our national security.

He has not really displayed any obvious talent. All he has done is exposed lax security in a supposedly secure network. A security audit or tiger team should have picked this up long before a hacker found his way in. A talented hacker would not have been caught.

Exactly, and this I believe is the crux of the issue. By demonstrating that some of the most security concious organisations in the world had levels of security you'd expect on a PC owned by a forgetful OAP, he caused them massive embarassment.

[odyssey2200]

Marf said:

he caused them massive embarassment.

Nail, Head

[clonmult]

odyssey2200 said:

Marf said:

he caused them massive embarassment.

Nail, Head

And they're reacting in the only way they can - take the poor fecker down.

The way the US govt has dealt with this is absolutely disgraceful, as is the UK stance.

[odyssey2200]

clonmult said:

odyssey2200 said:

Marf said:

he caused them massive embarassment.

Nail, Head

And they're reacting in the only way they can - take the poor fecker down.

The way the US govt has dealt with this is absolutely disgraceful, as is the UK stance.

And Obama get the Nobel Peace prize??

[Marf]

odyssey2200 said:

clonmult said:

odyssey2200 said:

Marf said:

he caused them massive embarassment.

Nail, Head

And they're reacting in the only way they can - take the poor fecker down.

The way the US govt has dealt with this is absolutely disgraceful, as is the UK stance.

And Obama get the Nobel Peace prize??

Yeah I am totally non plussed by that, as much as I like the guy what has he done so far to warrant getting it?

[plasticpig]

Marf said:

odyssey2200 said:

clonmult said:

odyssey2200 said:

Marf said:

he caused them massive embarassment.

Nail, Head

And they're reacting in the only way they can - take the poor fecker down.

The way the US govt has dealt with this is absolutely disgraceful, as is the UK stance.

And Obama get the Nobel Peace prize??

Yeah I am totally non plussed by that, as much as I like the guy what has he done so far to warrant getting it?

I would assume it's because he is less likley to nuke Iran, North Korea or any other "Axis of Evil" country than GWB.

[odyssey2200]

plasticpig said:

Marf said:

odyssey2200 said:

clonmult said:

odyssey2200 said:

Marf said:

he caused them massive embarassment.

Nail, Head

And they're reacting in the only way they can - take the poor fecker down.

The way the US govt has dealt with this is absolutely disgraceful, as is the UK stance.

And Obama get the Nobel Peace prize??

Yeah I am totally non plussed by that, as much as I like the guy what has he done so far to warrant getting it?

I would assume it's because he is less likley to nuke Iran, North Korea or any other "Axis of Evil" country than GWB.

by that token the rest of the world, apart fron GWB should get a NPP too

[Marf]

plasticpig said:

Marf said:

odyssey2200 said:

clonmult said:

odyssey2200 said:

Marf said:

he caused them massive embarassment.

Nail, Head

And they're reacting in the only way they can - take the poor fecker down.

The way the US govt has dealt with this is absolutely disgraceful, as is the UK stance.

And Obama get the Nobel Peace prize??

Yeah I am totally non plussed by that, as much as I like the guy what has he done so far to warrant getting it?

I would assume it's because he is less likley to nuke Iran, North Korea or any other "Axis of Evil" country than GWB.

True enough, but it still seems like an odd choice, perhaps after his first term assuming he had done some commendable things I could understand it.

[JRM]

Am I missing something here? He hacked into the Military computers in the US, the details that he uncovered we don't know, but it sounds like if it's serious enough for the US to want to pursue him this hard , then he wasn't just sneeking a look at someone's payroll.

Why should we defend him against the US?

[Marf]

JRM said:

Am I missing something here? He hacked into the Military computers in the US, the details that he uncovered we don't know, but it sounds like if it's serious enough for the US to want to pursue him this hard , then he wasn't just sneeking a look at someone's payroll.

Why should we defend him against the US?

The issues have been covered here a thousand times over, go look at some of the previous threads.

The long and short of it is

Massively one sided extradition treaty
gov't selling out a countryman
US claiming that he did just the right amount of damage to each computer to warrant extradition
he has aspergers
happy to face trial in the UK, DoP states no case to answer.

The whole thing is a farcical non issue, the US used this "hack"[1] as a way of boosting "cyber defence" budgets in the year after 9/11. Them still pursuing him over it is just an extension of that.

[1] using that word in the loosest possible sense of the word here.

Edited by Marf on Friday 9th October 16:26

[odyssey2200]

It would appear that the US Defence Computer security system was designed by the same guy who designed the UK immigration system.

Edited by odyssey2200 on Friday 9th October 16:50

[plasticpig]

JRM said:

Am I missing something here? He hacked into the Military computers in the US, the details that he uncovered we don't know, but it sounds like if it's serious enough for the US to want to pursue him this hard , then he wasn't just sneeking a look at someone's payroll.

Why should we defend him against the US?

Because they will throw the book at him. They are talking about a maximum of a 70 year prison sentence. The maximum in the UK if it was proven that he had intent to impair operation of computer is 10 years. Unauthorized access is 2 years. 70 years for looking for a few files about UFO's is cruel and unusual punishment.

[odyssey2200]

If I held up the local branch od Abbey National (AKA Santander) would I be extradited to Spain?

No
Because the crime was committed on UK soil.

Extraditing him is just spiteful and shameful

[TEKNOPUG]

This apparent “1-way” extradition treaty – what’s in it for us (UK)?

[odyssey2200]

TEKNOPUG said:

This apparent “1-way” extradition treaty – what’s in it for us (UK)?

contempt?

[plasticpig]

TEKNOPUG said:

This apparent “1-way” extradition treaty – what’s in it for us (UK)?

Nothing. It was merely another way for Blair too stick his tongue as far as possible up GWB's bottom.