97 on m'way- 4 months after test pass

[baz1985]

hi

a mate got done a few weeks back for 97mph at 00:30 on a clear dry night on m62 by vascar in undercover car. expecting summons. But at 18 & only 4 months after passing test can he expect to have to retake test and 6pts on license or just 3pts and a larger fine.. Has anyone been in this situation or know anything relevant?

cheers

baz

[dontlift]

i would imaging points and fine, but his insurance renewal will not be much fun

[Cooperman]

Can't have much sympathy. With only that very limited experience he can't have been safe and, in reality, is probably guilty of dangerous driving if the truth be known.
The re-test requirement and insurance loading will probably calm him down a bit.

[Plotloss]

Shanks' pony...

[puggit]

Agreed - I think he's looking at a ban unless he really needs that car (ie prove hardship without)...

What kind of car was it Baz?

[kojak69]

I wouldn't think it'll be a ban. If it was over the ton, then maybe.

[Dwight VanDriver]

Very much in the hands of the Bench.

Speeding as you all know carries 3 - 6 points.

Road Traffic (New Drivers) Act 1995 - anyone collecting SIX or more points within two years of passing test may have DL revoked and will then have to take another driving test. Section 1.

Until driver passes the test he is in the same position as a Learner driver.

DVD

[baz1985]

hi

it was a 1.4 golf. Well in terms of insurance he is covered by his dad's any driver policy...dunno how that works. considering he only uses the car to commute couple of times a week from leeds to manchester uni- he can expect the worst?

baz

[pwig]

Cooperman said:

With only that very limited experience he can't have been safe

Sorry but you are wrong, empty motorway, late a night, dry... its not that hard ffs.

[dcb]

pwig said:

Sorry but you are wrong, empty motorway, late a night, dry... its not that hard ffs.

Exactly. Provided the conditions were good i.e. no rain, good visibility, empty road I can't see what the problem is.

For the record, the 1.4 Golf has a top speed of 106 mph (it says here), so at 97 mph he wasn't that close to the top speed of the car.

WOMBAT - Waste of Money, Brains & Time prosecuting this person (IMHO).

[V6GTO]

As for being inexperienced, maybe, but then again maybe he is the world junior rally champion or similar. Maybe he has been driving on his dads farm since he was 6. We should'nt jump to the conclution that only having a licence for 4 months makes him a cr4p driver.

[Roadrage]

V6GTO said:

As for being inexperienced, maybe, but then again maybe he is the world junior rally champion or similar. Maybe he has been driving on his dads farm since he was 6. We should'nt jump to the conclution that only having a licence for 4 months makes him a cr4p driver.

very try i drove for 20 years befor i bothered get a licene

[ZR1427]

kojak69 said:

I wouldn't think it'll be a ban. If it was over the ton, then maybe.

I thought it was a ton or over for a ban,,not sure about new drivers though??

[bobthebench]

Expect to have his licence revoked. An experienced driver woould expect 4 or 5 points. Newbie can expect the full force of the law - 6 identical and matching points, resulting in instant DQ and retest.

[baz1985]

Well the result some five and half months later after pleading guilty by post is 6pts and £200 fine. Seems harsh when 95 gets you 3pts/£60 so 1.5pts per extra mph for 97. License has been revoked. However he is appealing against the "penalty" at Leeds Crown Court utilsing his barrister uncle. It seems unreasonable to me considering it was early hours of morning, clear conditions and no chance of ice etc and on downhill stretch (Saddleworth to Milnrow Shaw westbound) plus by an unmarked car. The officer who caught him said that his driving was perfectly fine, but just too fast and said that he'd get 3pts.
On another day could have got an fpn or even let off.

Baz

[streaky]

dcb said:

[ ... ] For the record, the 1.4 Golf has a top speed of 106 mph (it says here), so at 97 mph he wasn't that close to the top speed of the car.

= 91.5% of the top rated speed of the vehicle = lack of safety margin.

97mph in a Ferrari F40 = 48.25% of top rated speed = safety margin.

Streaky

[voyds9]

bobthebench said:

Expect to have his licence revoked. An experienced driver woould expect 4 or 5 points. Newbie can expect the full force of the law - 6 identical and matching points, resulting in instant DQ and retest.

Don't you just love the consistency
New driver expect a ban
Experienced driver expect 4-5 points
104 mph BiB 6 points because of experience

The punishment should fit the crime not the person doing it.

[edmundo]

So by the rational, an experienced theif could expect a bit of community service, while a first timer shuld be given 10 years hard labour..

[Mr2Mike]

edmundo said:

So by the rational, an experienced theif could expect a bit of community service, while a first timer shuld be given 10 years hard labour..

Not at all. The point is that an inexperienced driver travelling at well over the speed limit may present a considerably more danger than an experienced driver.

However, I do sympathise to an extent, having to retake test is a PITA, and getting caught at that time of night is 1) unlucky and 2) a symptom of his inexperience. If I see a pair of headlights approaching from behind on an otherwise quiet road, I always make sure I know what the car is before "making progress".

[kevinday]

edmundo said:

So by the rational, an experienced theif could expect a bit of community service, while a first timer shuld be given 10 years hard labour..

Absolutely right! If a ten year sentence was going to be handed out to a first-time crim, then just maybe some of them would think twice before commiting the crime.