Has Cameron blown it?
Discussion
Do the Conservatives really want to win this election? Looking at the Conservative.com site little changes daily, it has no web forum and worst of all it devotes 20% of it main page to SamWebCam. Honestly who gives a flying f@ck about his wife and what she did last week (nobody is voting for her anyway). What you should see is "10 reasons not to vote Lib Dem" rather than the present drivel.
All his talk of the "big society" is nonsense in the present circumstances. Its a bit like the Captain of the Titanic discussing colour schemes for the ballroom while the ship is sinking.
I think somebody needs to go down to Conservative HQ and bang some heads together.
All his talk of the "big society" is nonsense in the present circumstances. Its a bit like the Captain of the Titanic discussing colour schemes for the ballroom while the ship is sinking.
I think somebody needs to go down to Conservative HQ and bang some heads together.
unrepentant said:
No, the Tory party blew it when they selected him as their leader. CMD is unelectable.
He's about as charismatic as a wet fart; that's his problem. Underneath all the 'Green' nonsense, the Blues have the best policies to offer for people like me. But I agree, CMD is a confused pastiche of a classic Tory boy turned tree-hugging liberalist. Subsequently, he is in danger of alienating the dyed-in-the-wool Conservative voters with all his 'cycle to work', 'put your kids to state school' bulls
t, and at the same time only mildly enthusing neutral voters who are otherwise ready to kill Winky and cannot see past Glegg's one-man army.I don't think he'll do it. Sadly.
Ironically, Hague seems far more fit for purpose.
Surely we shouldn't get hung up on personalities, there's more to a political party than just that. If we think so superficially we'd all be wanting to vote for Clegg, er sorry, the Lib Dems. Now who would be so stupid as to do that without knowing anything of their policies? Or for that matter their track record. What I know is that the Conservatives have rescued us from Labour before and I'm sure they'll do it again.
Great Pretender said:
unrepentant said:
No, the Tory party blew it when they selected him as their leader. CMD is unelectable.
He's about as charismatic as a wet fart; that's his problem. Underneath all the 'Green' nonsense, the Blues have the best policies to offer for people like me. But I agree, CMD is a confused pastiche of a classic Tory boy turned tree-hugging liberalist. Subsequently, he is in danger of alienating the dyed-in-the-wool Conservative voters with all his 'cycle to work', 'put your kids to state school' bulls
t, and at the same time only mildly enthusing neutral voters who are otherwise ready to kill Winky and cannot see past Glegg's one-man army.I don't think he'll do it. Sadly.
Ironically, Hague seems far more fit for purpose.
No I dont think he has blown it. I think a dangerously large proportion of the population is clearly becoming more stupid, more envious and more lazy.
They all seem to also have the collective memory of a bunch of grapes.
This is reflected by a media who are a basically hypocritical hand wringers.
peterpeter said:
Great Pretender said:
unrepentant said:
No, the Tory party blew it when they selected him as their leader. CMD is unelectable.
He's about as charismatic as a wet fart; that's his problem. Underneath all the 'Green' nonsense, the Blues have the best policies to offer for people like me. But I agree, CMD is a confused pastiche of a classic Tory boy turned tree-hugging liberalist. Subsequently, he is in danger of alienating the dyed-in-the-wool Conservative voters with all his 'cycle to work', 'put your kids to state school' bulls
t, and at the same time only mildly enthusing neutral voters who are otherwise ready to kill Winky and cannot see past Glegg's one-man army.I don't think he'll do it. Sadly.
Ironically, Hague seems far more fit for purpose.
Guybrush said:
peterpeter said:
I think a dangerously large proportion of the population is clearly becoming more stupid, more envious and more lazy.
Quite true. I think you have described quite well one of the effects of long-term socialist policies.It isn't a presidential election so the leader's performance is only a part of the story. Everybody has their own different mix of reasons for voting for their choice of candidate.
If Clegg can talk his party up good on him, if Cameron can, good on him too. I don't see any problem with the LibDems making it to the top either, as both Labour and the Conservatives have unpleasant history and the LibDems would be a fresh start with a whole crowd of new people.
If Clegg can talk his party up good on him, if Cameron can, good on him too. I don't see any problem with the LibDems making it to the top either, as both Labour and the Conservatives have unpleasant history and the LibDems would be a fresh start with a whole crowd of new people.
herewego said:
It isn't a presidential election so the leader's performance is only a part of the story. Everybody has their own different mix of reasons for voting for their choice of candidate.
If Clegg can talk his party up good on him, if Cameron can, good on him too. I don't see any problem with the LibDems making it to the top either, as both Labour and the Conservatives have unpleasant history and the LibDems would be a fresh start with a whole crowd of new people.
I am sure they would, but would need 326 seats. That isn't a realistic option in this election.If Clegg can talk his party up good on him, if Cameron can, good on him too. I don't see any problem with the LibDems making it to the top either, as both Labour and the Conservatives have unpleasant history and the LibDems would be a fresh start with a whole crowd of new people.
The problem is these TV debates focus all the attention on the leaders, rather than on the cabinets on offer. When you consider cabinet governemnt, I think the Tories win hands down. Do the Lib Dems have a front bench? And look at Labour; the few serious players they have (I have some time for David Milliband, Darling and Mandelson) all want shot of Brown and he'd get rid of them if only he could.
Labour's deputy leaders have been gimps like Prescott and Harperson. Useful morons who are no threat to their leader. Cameron on the other hand is happy to wheel out William Hague - intellectual powerhouse, renowned Parliamentarian and shadow Foreign Secretary. It is an entirely different level of confidence. The Tories are a team, Labour are a stalinist dictatorship, and the Lib Dems are two blokes on a donkey.
Labour's deputy leaders have been gimps like Prescott and Harperson. Useful morons who are no threat to their leader. Cameron on the other hand is happy to wheel out William Hague - intellectual powerhouse, renowned Parliamentarian and shadow Foreign Secretary. It is an entirely different level of confidence. The Tories are a team, Labour are a stalinist dictatorship, and the Lib Dems are two blokes on a donkey.
Not yet he hasn't, however he does seem to be doing his very best to not be PM.
Unfortunately as some have said he lacks charisma. Listen to him talk, there is no passion, no desire. His debating & presentation skills are just amateurish. He fails to convey in any way shape or form what the issues for this election are or that he understands them. He has failed to put clearwater between himself & the other parties. So far this election has been a non-event. Somebody seems to have told Cameron not to attack Labours record. This is madness.
The key debate will be the last one. It's the only one people will remember when they go to vote. Whoever wins that one, wins. My fear is that there is no passion within Cameron, which will make it hard for him to show it when he needs. It's why we are heading for a hung parliament. Votes that should go to Cameron will go to Clegg. LibDems will pick up the marginals the Tories need.
Unfortunately as some have said he lacks charisma. Listen to him talk, there is no passion, no desire. His debating & presentation skills are just amateurish. He fails to convey in any way shape or form what the issues for this election are or that he understands them. He has failed to put clearwater between himself & the other parties. So far this election has been a non-event. Somebody seems to have told Cameron not to attack Labours record. This is madness.
The key debate will be the last one. It's the only one people will remember when they go to vote. Whoever wins that one, wins. My fear is that there is no passion within Cameron, which will make it hard for him to show it when he needs. It's why we are heading for a hung parliament. Votes that should go to Cameron will go to Clegg. LibDems will pick up the marginals the Tories need.
The electorate are rejecting Conservatism in favour of a more equitable society. Labour have failed to demonstrate that they can, at this moment, deliver that, so people are turning toward the only other alternative in the form of the LibDems, with the BNP/UKIP mopping up what's left of the racist/Xenophobic vote.
BOR said:
The electorate are rejecting Conservatism in favour of a more equitable society.
Quite surprised to see you up at this time; good effort.The electorate are doing nothing of the sort. They are sick to death of Labour and Brown, but Labour and their media toadies are doing a good job of portraying the alternatives in a bad light. Following his recent performance, some of that effort will be turned on Clegg, which might give Dave a break.
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