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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8633358.stm
Do we really need so many politics and sociology students anyroad?
Going to Uni to do a vocational degree makes a great deal of sense, just going for a laugh and to keep the unemployment figures down seems rather a waste of time / money imho.
So why not make them pay their way, if they want to do peace studies then fine as long as they pay for it.
Do we really need so many politics and sociology students anyroad?
Going to Uni to do a vocational degree makes a great deal of sense, just going for a laugh and to keep the unemployment figures down seems rather a waste of time / money imho.
So why not make them pay their way, if they want to do peace studies then fine as long as they pay for it.
JagLover said:
and the Lib Dems are going to abolish them and replace the £1.8bn they bring in with more government spending (has anyone told them about the £170bn deficit?)
They will just tax the workers more and more to cover all this worthless crap. As will Labour.20% of the adult population work for the public sector, 20% of the adult population is not working, bloody marvellous isn't it?
Unless the Tories get in we are doomed, worse than Greece, but at least the IMF if involved will slash the public sector.
I think fair enough, have perhaps scholarships for people from poor backgrounds who have some intelligence so they can further their education, but the problem is that anyone can go to University now, and sadly the genuinely bright people are mixed in with the brain-dead of society which more often than not drags down the standards rather than pulling them up.
Rather than scrapping student fees, government should look to scrap a load of "University" sites and perhaps put them back to college status as that's all they're really worth. University is no longer something to work for, but something that is expected because it's now such a doss.
Rather than scrapping student fees, government should look to scrap a load of "University" sites and perhaps put them back to college status as that's all they're really worth. University is no longer something to work for, but something that is expected because it's now such a doss.
The question the students should be asking is whether they're getting value for money. So they spunk thousands on a course in basket weaving at the University of Stoke-on-Drugs only to find that when they graduate, no one will give them a job because their degree has little worth in the workplace.
But why would they choose such a crap degree, is it because they know they aren't up to something worthwhile like accounting, law, medicine etc?
Why should second raters be going to Uni in the first place, it should only be for the elite (regardless of family income). Plus point of Grammar Schools too.
Why should second raters be going to Uni in the first place, it should only be for the elite (regardless of family income). Plus point of Grammar Schools too.
I think many choose a crap degree because they've had really crap advice at school. It seems that the ideal of higher education for all has been spouted one too many times and the only measure of success being the number of admissions.
Media Studies graduates are a good example. I work in broadcasting and would say that given three near identical candidates, but one with a media degree , one with a English degree and one with three years experience working as a junior dogsbody, I'd go dogsbody everytime.
I'd choose the media studies graduate last, on the basis that what they'd learnt would be of little relevence day to day and they probably couldn't make a decent cup of tea or have a proven track record of turning up to work on time.
Media Studies graduates are a good example. I work in broadcasting and would say that given three near identical candidates, but one with a media degree , one with a English degree and one with three years experience working as a junior dogsbody, I'd go dogsbody everytime.
I'd choose the media studies graduate last, on the basis that what they'd learnt would be of little relevence day to day and they probably couldn't make a decent cup of tea or have a proven track record of turning up to work on time.
Futuo said:
Unless the Tories get in we are doomed, worse than Greece, but at least the IMF if involved will slash the public sector.
Are you sure? You do know about the level of cuts the Tories are talking about? They may make a small inroad to the level of debt we are accumulating but that is all.Essential the liebour t
ts have systematically starved the HE of funding whilst opening the floodgates to phalanxes of 18 year olds who struggle to write their names (such is the lamentable state of education in this country.)
To compound this, Mandelslime is cutting funding further, upping numbers but insists that standards will not suffer.
The reality is that unless the fee cap is removed the HE sector is buggered. BUT, all this is nicely hushed up during the election campaign of course, because it's politically toxic.
Liebour created this problem, but they simply don't have the balls or the sense to see it through. Stupids.
ts have systematically starved the HE of funding whilst opening the floodgates to phalanxes of 18 year olds who struggle to write their names (such is the lamentable state of education in this country.)To compound this, Mandelslime is cutting funding further, upping numbers but insists that standards will not suffer.
The reality is that unless the fee cap is removed the HE sector is buggered. BUT, all this is nicely hushed up during the election campaign of course, because it's politically toxic.
Liebour created this problem, but they simply don't have the balls or the sense to see it through. Stupid
s. Edited by Diderot on Wednesday 21st April 17:37
Edited by Diderot on Wednesday 21st April 17:38
DieselGriff said:
Futuo said:
Unless the Tories get in we are doomed, worse than Greece, but at least the IMF if involved will slash the public sector.
Are you sure? You do know about the level of cuts the Tories are talking about? They may make a small inroad to the level of debt we are accumulating but that is all.It is more a statement of intent than anything else, that the deficit will be cut via public spending rather than tax/ni rises.
speaking as somebody who works in a university (a good one), I think the solution is to maintain/cut slightly university funding, but only distribute it to the best universities. A lot of the old (bad) ex-polys should go back to doing more vocational education, which is excellent and necessary. The system we have now enables everyone to go to university, but not all universities are equal.
Futuo said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8633358.stm
Do we really need so many politics and sociology students anyroad?
I start my politics degree in September. Sociology can go fDo we really need so many politics and sociology students anyroad?
k itself though.Futuo said:
DangerousMike said:
a degree in accounting is not worthwhile!
http://www.gaapweb.com/Browse/All-chartered+accountant-Job-Results.htmlseems to be some jobs there, are there many unemployed Chartered Accountants
Futuo said:
But why would they choose such a crap degree, is it because they know they aren't up to something worthwhile like accounting, law, medicine etc?
If you are really not sure why go and look at the hours per week involved in these crap degrees and there you shall find your answer. We used to have a full 6/7 hour days of lectures, 5 days a week when I did engineering but I was sharing halls with plently of people with under 10 hours a week of lectures.
Dangerous Mike is right though, the UK system has been buggered right up by Labour who had university pegged as the be all and end all of everything which is clearly b
ks. There are too many courses for too many students in this country at the moment and it needs shaking up. If you want to do a proper career orientated course then head to uni but vocational courses and other valid options that could lead to a good career are just not presented to secondary school leavers at that age. I don't think we were ever given the option of anything BUT going to university when I left school, it wasn't "what do you want to do when you leave?", it was "what course are you attending and what rubbish course can we squeeze you on if you fail"Wrong system in my opinion.
When I say vocational I mean things like law, dentistry etc that lead to a job allied to the course you've just done, rather than doing History and then becoming a manager at M&S.
How is it re Engineering, surely Britain should be churning out some of the best in the world (just look at top motor sport teams virtually all based within the UK).
9am starts here, 5 days a week, half day on Wednesday, girlfriend of the time was doing Art and never started until after lunch.....
How is it re Engineering, surely Britain should be churning out some of the best in the world (just look at top motor sport teams virtually all based within the UK).
9am starts here, 5 days a week, half day on Wednesday, girlfriend of the time was doing Art and never started until after lunch.....
Edited by Futuo on Thursday 22 April 00:03
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