SNP launch legal bid over Leader's Debate
Discussion
Stevenj214 said:
being an SNP supporter
Why?They seem to make no sense to me at all, they say we do not want to be run from London because they are too remote and do not understand our needs(I have some sympathy with this) but they want to stay in Europe and be run from Brussels which is even more remote and out of touch.
They are even worse for tax and spend than Labour.
They want to base our future on a diminishing oil industry.
They are socialists.
I could go on and on.
The only reason I can see to vote for them is some romantic idea that an independent Scotland would be a better place, where as in reality we would be a small irrelevant, socialist country on the fringes of Europe.
Pooh said:
Stevenj214 said:
being an SNP supporter
Why?They seem to make no sense to me at all, they say we do not want to be run from London because they are too remote and do not understand our needs(I have some sympathy with this) but they want to stay in Europe and be run from Brussels which is even more remote and out of touch.
They are even worse for tax and spend than Labour.
They want to base our future on a diminishing oil industry.
They are socialists.
I could go on and on.
The only reason I can see to vote for them is some romantic idea that an independent Scotland would be a better place, where as in reality we would be a small irrelevant, socialist country on the fringes of Europe.
Before being elected to power the independence cries from the SNP were constant however now all they are promising is a 'referendum' without even giving a time-line.
Salmond knows there is no guarantee of him winning such a referendum and if he does lose then where does his party go from there? Politically it makes more sense to maintain the status quo (From their point of view).
Edited by 5unny on Sunday 25th April 11:13
5unny said:
Pooh said:
Stevenj214 said:
being an SNP supporter
Why?They seem to make no sense to me at all, they say we do not want to be run from London because they are too remote and do not understand our needs(I have some sympathy with this) but they want to stay in Europe and be run from Brussels which is even more remote and out of touch.
They are even worse for tax and spend than Labour.
They want to base our future on a diminishing oil industry.
They are socialists.
I could go on and on.
The only reason I can see to vote for them is some romantic idea that an independent Scotland would be a better place, where as in reality we would be a small irrelevant, socialist country on the fringes of Europe.
Before being elected to power the independence cries from the SNP were constant however now all they are promising is a 'referendum' without even giving a time-line.
Salmond knows there is no guarantee of him winning such a referendum and if he does lose then where does his party go from there?
Pooh said:
5unny said:
Pooh said:
Stevenj214 said:
being an SNP supporter
Why?They seem to make no sense to me at all, they say we do not want to be run from London because they are too remote and do not understand our needs(I have some sympathy with this) but they want to stay in Europe and be run from Brussels which is even more remote and out of touch.
They are even worse for tax and spend than Labour.
They want to base our future on a diminishing oil industry.
They are socialists.
I could go on and on.
The only reason I can see to vote for them is some romantic idea that an independent Scotland would be a better place, where as in reality we would be a small irrelevant, socialist country on the fringes of Europe.
Before being elected to power the independence cries from the SNP were constant however now all they are promising is a 'referendum' without even giving a time-line.
Salmond knows there is no guarantee of him winning such a referendum and if he does lose then where does his party go from there?
I wonder how a David Cameron government would play this. On one side they are Unionists but then if Scotland and Wales break away, the Tories could rule England for a generation.
5unny said:
Pooh said:
5unny said:
Pooh said:
Stevenj214 said:
being an SNP supporter
Why?They seem to make no sense to me at all, they say we do not want to be run from London because they are too remote and do not understand our needs(I have some sympathy with this) but they want to stay in Europe and be run from Brussels which is even more remote and out of touch.
They are even worse for tax and spend than Labour.
They want to base our future on a diminishing oil industry.
They are socialists.
I could go on and on.
The only reason I can see to vote for them is some romantic idea that an independent Scotland would be a better place, where as in reality we would be a small irrelevant, socialist country on the fringes of Europe.
Before being elected to power the independence cries from the SNP were constant however now all they are promising is a 'referendum' without even giving a time-line.
Salmond knows there is no guarantee of him winning such a referendum and if he does lose then where does his party go from there?
I wonder how a David Cameron government would play this. On one side they are Unionists but then if Scotland and Wales break away, the Tories could rule England for a generation.
rs1952 said:
5unny said:
I wonder how a David Cameron government would play this. On one side they are Unionists but then if Scotland and Wales break away, the Tories could rule England for ever .
EFAPooh said:
rs1952 said:
5unny said:
I wonder how a David Cameron government would play this. On one side they are Unionists but then if Scotland and Wales break away, the Tories could rule England for ever .
EFAhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/vote2005/html/eng...
5unny said:
Reading the article it appears the SNP have no intention of doing this it all. They are simply using this to gain publicity (and play the victim card at home in order to gain votes) and make money through donations.
Very clever actually.
They'd previously said that they wouldn't launch an appeal because they lacked the money in their coffers. By asking for a fund, they'll probably still get nowhere, but it means another few weeks of free press and soundbites. Given the free publicity boost the big three are getting at the moment, and the exposure it has given the Lib Dems, this is probably the next best thing.Very clever actually.
It will be interesting if the SNP make big gains up here, and the Tories get in nationally. I can't see the Conservatives caring much about a place they're unlikely to win seats in, so there'll likely be many points of contention when it comes to budget allocation, etc. In fact, protecting Scotland from any westminster cuts pretty much is the SNP manifesto from what I can gather. I also don't think their referrendum will see the light of day.
Pooh said:
Stevenj214 said:
being an SNP supporter
Why?They seem to make no sense to me at all, they say we do not want to be run from London because they are too remote and do not understand our needs(I have some sympathy with this) but they want to stay in Europe and be run from Brussels which is even more remote and out of touch.
They are even worse for tax and spend than Labour.
They want to base our future on a diminishing oil industry.
They are socialists.
I could go on and on.
The only reason I can see to vote for them is some romantic idea that an independent Scotland would be a better place, where as in reality we would be a small irrelevant, socialist country on the fringes of Europe.
An independent Scotland in Europe would at least have it's own voice. As it stands, countries such as Malta (population 500,000) will hold key positions and be able to influence European policy. Scotland is at the mercy of the decisions made by the UK-wide, London based parties who quite simply have competing priorities when it comes to European matters.
The tax and spend policies I can live with or without, but I would keep in mind that if independence is achieved, the SNP will not be the only party in Scotland. The difference would be that all parties would then likely have Scotland's interests as their sole objectives.
The SNP's sums for independence do include figures for gas and oil, however longer term I believe Scotland has a great wealth of natural resources and a skilled workforce which can drive forward the economy. Many countries successfully manage economic stability and growth, despite lacking the resources Scotland has.
Edited by Stevenj214 on Sunday 25th April 12:26
Stevenj214 said:
Pooh said:
Stevenj214 said:
being an SNP supporter
Why?They seem to make no sense to me at all, they say we do not want to be run from London because they are too remote and do not understand our needs(I have some sympathy with this) but they want to stay in Europe and be run from Brussels which is even more remote and out of touch.
They are even worse for tax and spend than Labour.
They want to base our future on a diminishing oil industry.
They are socialists.
I could go on and on.
The only reason I can see to vote for them is some romantic idea that an independent Scotland would be a better place, where as in reality we would be a small irrelevant, socialist country on the fringes of Europe.
An independent Scotland in Europe would at least have it's own voice. As it stands, countries such as Malta (population 500,000) will hold key positions and be able to influence European policy. Scotland is at the mercy of the decisions made by the UK-wide, London based parties who quite simply have competing priorities when it comes to European matters.
The tax and spend policies I can live with or without, but I would keep in mind that if independence is achieved, the SNP will not be the only party in Scotland. The difference would be that all parties would then have Scotland's interests their sole objectives.
The SNP's sums for independence do include figures for gas and oil, however longer term I believe Scotland has a great wealth of natural resources and a skilled workforce which can drive forward the economy. Many countries successfully manage economic stability and growth, despite lacking the resources Scotland has.
Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of hard working and very capable people in Scotland but I am not sure there are enough, our country has been ruined by the welfare state and socialism.
My main concern is that the vast majority of Scottish people seem to have a socialist outlook and the majority depend on the state for their jobs/benefits, I cannot see Scotland flourishing unless that changes and I don't think it will.
If independence promised a halving of the public sector workforce, I might vote for it.
Sadly, there's more chance of Gordon Brown apologising for destroying the economy than Scotland losing it's dependence culture. I'd love a historian to explain exactly how a country that created so much, ended up where we are today.
Sadly, there's more chance of Gordon Brown apologising for destroying the economy than Scotland losing it's dependence culture. I'd love a historian to explain exactly how a country that created so much, ended up where we are today.
Stevenj214 said:
Pooh said:
Stevenj214 said:
being an SNP supporter
Why?They seem to make no sense to me at all, they say we do not want to be run from London because they are too remote and do not understand our needs(I have some sympathy with this) but they want to stay in Europe and be run from Brussels which is even more remote and out of touch.
They are even worse for tax and spend than Labour.
They want to base our future on a diminishing oil industry.
They are socialists.
I could go on and on.
The only reason I can see to vote for them is some romantic idea that an independent Scotland would be a better place, where as in reality we would be a small irrelevant, socialist country on the fringes of Europe.
Edited by Stevenj214 on Sunday 25th April 12:26
Go read and inwardly digest the meanings behind ALL the EU treaties that have been signed prior to this date.
There is no "SELF DETERMINATION" as a member of EC, EU or whatever it is called at present.
It is all part of the SNP's "big lie".
Question.
Tell me, if the SNP are so hot on self determination and real independence, what steps, since being in "power", have they made to removing the moral obscenity at Coulport from Scottish soil to date?
NONE.
Salmon and his 'ilk are just the same as the rest of the self serving swine at the trough.
Pooh said:
Fair enough, you must have a higher opinion of the capabilities of Scottish politicians and population than I do.
Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of hard working and very capable people in Scotland but I am not sure there are enough, our country has been ruined by the welfare state and socialism.
My main concern is that the vast majority of Scottish people seem to have a socialist outlook and the majority depend on the state for their jobs/benefits, I cannot see Scotland flourishing unless that changes and I don't think it will.
I think the socialist welfare state which relies heavily on public sector jobs is a result of the centralisation of economic policy on S.E. England. Independence would force this issue to be addressed and economic policies made exclusively in Scotland for Scotland would be the vehicle of change.Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of hard working and very capable people in Scotland but I am not sure there are enough, our country has been ruined by the welfare state and socialism.
My main concern is that the vast majority of Scottish people seem to have a socialist outlook and the majority depend on the state for their jobs/benefits, I cannot see Scotland flourishing unless that changes and I don't think it will.
As for the politicians, I agree that sometimes they can leave a lot to be desired. The "Scottish Debate" last week was dreadful. I have faith however that from a population of 5 million, we can find one or two shining stars!
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