A281 Poynings- Question on legality of Speed Limit
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I'm not sure if anyone else locally has noticed this, and I've not travelled this road for a while so was surprised today to come across a 100 yard stretch of road marked at 30 in an otherwise national speed limit section.
The road is question is from Henfield to Brighton, just north of Poynings by the rushfields garden centre.
When heading south the road becomes national speed limit as you leave woodmancote, no other signs for a mile or so , then suddenly a new post has been put up with a single 30 limit sign ( standard red enforceable circle, but reminder sized) on the left, with a camera sign above ( no sign on the right hand side of road). Both signs look official type but there is only one sign on the left hand side of the road. As you leave the 100 yard section no signs indicate a return to national speed limit, and the next speed sign if you go over the Devils Dyke road is one as you join the A27 junction. The same pattern happens when you head northwards , just one sign, repeater sized, no end of restriction sign until the 40mph at Small dole.
Surely this has to be someone's attempts to impose a limit by buying a sign, sticking it outside their house and is unenforceable?
If it is someones attempt to place their own sign , surely thats illegal as it's causing people to panic and rapidly brake on a 60 MPH road. It's a matter of time before an accident occurs.
If it is official, does this meet the signage rules, imposing a 30 limit for 100 yards on a 60mph road with just 1 small sign? Just looks like creating danger at the moment.
The road is question is from Henfield to Brighton, just north of Poynings by the rushfields garden centre.
When heading south the road becomes national speed limit as you leave woodmancote, no other signs for a mile or so , then suddenly a new post has been put up with a single 30 limit sign ( standard red enforceable circle, but reminder sized) on the left, with a camera sign above ( no sign on the right hand side of road). Both signs look official type but there is only one sign on the left hand side of the road. As you leave the 100 yard section no signs indicate a return to national speed limit, and the next speed sign if you go over the Devils Dyke road is one as you join the A27 junction. The same pattern happens when you head northwards , just one sign, repeater sized, no end of restriction sign until the 40mph at Small dole.
Surely this has to be someone's attempts to impose a limit by buying a sign, sticking it outside their house and is unenforceable?
If it is someones attempt to place their own sign , surely thats illegal as it's causing people to panic and rapidly brake on a 60 MPH road. It's a matter of time before an accident occurs.
If it is official, does this meet the signage rules, imposing a 30 limit for 100 yards on a 60mph road with just 1 small sign? Just looks like creating danger at the moment.
Edited by SMB on Friday 28th May 21:33
I went through that the other day and agree with your interpretation - that a local has probably 'acquired' the signs and stuck them in there.
It does not meet the rules on signing a 30mph limit. ETA that all the signage including the reverse of those 40s confirm that that stretch is NSL.
It does not meet the rules on signing a 30mph limit. ETA that all the signage including the reverse of those 40s confirm that that stretch is NSL.
Edited by CharlieTwo on Friday 28th May 19:34
One presumes that there is no system of lighting on this stretch making it a restricted road (30mph)
Speak to your local Traffic Management Section and ask for details for any revelant Speed Restriction Order.
No speed order then someone has been R-sing about - Garden centre to slow down traffic because of their entrance?
dvd
Speak to your local Traffic Management Section and ask for details for any revelant Speed Restriction Order.
No speed order then someone has been R-sing about - Garden centre to slow down traffic because of their entrance?
dvd
There's a road off Wimbledon Common that has 20 signs at each end but I'm pretty sure they're put there by locals. There's no traffic calming at all (not for the five or more years I've known the road) and the signs are smaller than standard, just like the OP's repeaters.
Somerset Road, Wimbledon
Somerset Road, Wimbledon
Edited by motco on Saturday 29th May 09:06
Dwight VanDriver said:
One presumes that there is no system of lighting on this stretch making it a restricted road (30mph)
No speed order then someone has been R-sing about - Garden centre to slow down traffic because of their entrance?
dvd
No, no system of streetlighting. It is a rural road which is NSL. Somebody has stuck a single 30mph repeater post with a speed camera sign comounted - one in each direction. It's outside a house on that stretch so I would guess it was them!No speed order then someone has been R-sing about - Garden centre to slow down traffic because of their entrance?
dvd
If I remember rightly they're about here
CharlieTwo said:
Dwight VanDriver said:
One presumes that there is no system of lighting on this stretch making it a restricted road (30mph)
No speed order then someone has been R-sing about - Garden centre to slow down traffic because of their entrance?
dvd
No, no system of streetlighting. It is a rural road which is NSL. Somebody has stuck a single 30mph repeater post with a speed camera sign comounted - one in each direction. It's outside a house on that stretch so I would guess it was them!No speed order then someone has been R-sing about - Garden centre to slow down traffic because of their entrance?
dvd
If I remember rightly they're about here
alock said:
There's a road near me that doesn't seem right either link
30 signs on brick bollards and then no repeaters or street lights. There's the odd street light near junctions but I'm not sure if they're close enough. Any thoughts?
to me that clearly looks like a residential street, perhaps a private unadopted road, but I'd expect that to be a 30.30 signs on brick bollards and then no repeaters or street lights. There's the odd street light near junctions but I'm not sure if they're close enough. Any thoughts?
SMB said:
alock said:
There's a road near me that doesn't seem right either link
30 signs on brick bollards and then no repeaters or street lights. There's the odd street light near junctions but I'm not sure if they're close enough. Any thoughts?
to me that clearly looks like a residential street, perhaps a private unadopted road, but I'd expect that to be a 30.30 signs on brick bollards and then no repeaters or street lights. There's the odd street light near junctions but I'm not sure if they're close enough. Any thoughts?
alock said:
SMB said:
alock said:
There's a road near me that doesn't seem right either link
30 signs on brick bollards and then no repeaters or street lights. There's the odd street light near junctions but I'm not sure if they're close enough. Any thoughts?
to me that clearly looks like a residential street, perhaps a private unadopted road, but I'd expect that to be a 30.30 signs on brick bollards and then no repeaters or street lights. There's the odd street light near junctions but I'm not sure if they're close enough. Any thoughts?
streaky said:
^^^^^
Without 'end of restriction' or 'change of limit' signs where required, any limit is incorrectly signed.
Streaky
that was my point, if you follw that road onwards , it remains 30, so no end of restiction signs as you turn into that road from the other end, hence still 30Without 'end of restriction' or 'change of limit' signs where required, any limit is incorrectly signed.
Streaky
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