Do 17 found buried in sandbank

Do 17 found buried in sandbank

Author
Discussion

The real Apache

Original Poster:

39,730 posts

248 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
quotequote all
Or, as the Sun puts it, 'Nazi jet found in sea off Kent hehe

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3122896/...

Cupramax

9,508 posts

216 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
quotequote all
Do jets have propellors?

pablo

15,515 posts

237 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
quotequote all
Cupramax said:
Do jets have propellors?
must be a prototype! wink

Tunku

7,700 posts

192 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
quotequote all
Nazi ones do

jmorgan

36,010 posts

248 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
quotequote all
Is it me or does it not look like a Dornier 17? (yeah I know its on the sea bed and all that). Just asking.



Edit. Ah, upside down?

Edited by jmorgan on Friday 3rd September 08:57

The real Apache

Original Poster:

39,730 posts

248 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
quotequote all
jmorgan said:
Is it me or does it not look like a Dornier 17? (yeah I know its on the sea bed and all that). Just asking.



Edit. Ah, upside down?

Edited by jmorgan on Friday 3rd September 08:57
looks like one to me



although it does look as if it had some kind of flying bomb under the stbd wing

jmorgan

36,010 posts

248 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
quotequote all
I corrected myself as you were posting.

Simpo Two

74,854 posts

229 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
quotequote all
I wonder how many e-mails Gary O'Shea has had telling him it's not a jet?

Eric Mc

114,593 posts

229 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
quotequote all
There were numerous versions of the Do17. The picture posted above shows one of the earlier versions. later versions had larger cockpit areas. In 1940, an advanced derivative of the Do17, the Do215, began to be used. The aircraft on the sea bed couild be a Do215.
I doubt if it would have been carying a V1 under the wing. Air launched V1s were used during the war but the carrier aircraft was a version of trhe Heinkel He111.

Dornier 215


Eric Mc

114,593 posts

229 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
quotequote all
Simpo Two said:
I wonder how many e-mails Gary O'Shea has had telling him it's not a jet?
I've just sent him one. smile

He needs this


Alfa numeric

2,971 posts

143 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
quotequote all
Work firewall's not letting me in to the Sun site (it's classed as pron!), can anyone upload the pictures?

dr_gn

14,610 posts

148 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
quotequote all
Simpo Two said:
I wonder how many e-mails Gary O'Shea has had telling him it's not a jet?
He probably looked at a 3-view and didn't realise that prop blades aren't always shown on all the views.

tonym911

11,878 posts

169 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
quotequote all
In Mr O'Shea's defence it's more likely the sub at fault for the jet headline. 'Bomber' probably didn't fit the space.

dr_gn

14,610 posts

148 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
quotequote all
Alfa numeric said:
Work firewall's not letting me in to the Sun site (it's classed as pron!), can anyone upload the pictures?
Try this instead:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-11174324

tonym911

11,878 posts

169 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
quotequote all
Also, 'bomber' has one too many syllables for the Sun's official vocab. 'Nazi' is OK cos it's nice and short.

Alfa numeric

2,971 posts

143 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
quotequote all
dr_gn said:
Cheers! thumbup

Eric Mc

114,593 posts

229 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
quotequote all
The BBC report is better overall. My hunch is that it is one of the later versions of the Do17 or possibly a 215.

The Flying Pencil nickname was not really appropriate for the versions with the larger crew compartments. Most of the original slimline Do17s had been retired to second line duties or training schools by the Spring of 1940.

FourWheelDrift

81,915 posts

248 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
quotequote all
I was Googling around to find out more and apparently there's another one (a Do-215 variant) found off the Dutch coast in 2007. But couldn't find anything about it's condition.

Nice to see they are going to raise this one though.


Eric Mc

114,593 posts

229 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
quotequote all
I wonder to what extent they intend to restore it.

These days, the skills are there to restore it to all its glory - unlike back in the 1970s when the Halifax was recovered from a lake in Norway. It would be great to see a fully restored Do17/215/217,

Edited by Eric Mc on Friday 3rd September 10:17

dr_gn

14,610 posts

148 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
quotequote all
Eric Mc said:
The BBC report is better overall. My hunch is that it is one of the later versions of the Do17 or possibly a 215.

The Flying Pencil nickname was not really appropriate for the versions with the larger crew compartments. Most of the original slimline Do17s had been retired to second line duties or training schools by the Spring of 1940.
According to the Times (and via a random post an a forum I found - apologies to whover it was):

Do17Z, WNr.1160, 7 Staffel, III.KG3 took off from St Trond in Belgium to attack Fighter airfields in Essex.

On August 26th 1940, this Do17Z was piloted by Feldwebel Willi Effmert, navigator Herman Ritzel, wireless operator Helmut Reinhardt and bomb aimer Heinz Huhn. While flying above cloud over the Strait of Dover the Dornier became separated from the rest of 7 Staffel. Some time after 1pm it was flying on its own when it was jumped at 13,000ft over Deal by a Boulton Paul Defiant of 264 Squadron from RAF Hornchurch.

With both his engines hit Effmert made a wheels-up landing on the Goodwin Sands at low water and the aircraft appears to have "ground looped" just before final impact, landing on its back and killing Reinhardt and Huhn. Effmert and Ritzel survived to be captured, and spent the remainder of their war as PoWs in Canada."