German WWII bombing raids - targets?

German WWII bombing raids - targets?

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john_p

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Monday 13th September 2010
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Bucks County Council have put an online map of all bombs that were dropped in the war in the county

http://www.buckscc.gov.uk/sites/bcc/archives/ea_Bl...

Looking at the map I am really surprised how spread out the "air raids" were in 1940.

Previously I thought they were all targeted at centres of industry (initially) then the major population centres as
the war progressed - looking at this there seems to be a huge amount of bomb raids that hit farms, rural villages, etc. (I am not sure if a bomb icon on the map relates to one or many bombs)

Was this deliberate or just mistargeting, bombs being dumped after raids, and the like?


dr_gn

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185 months

Monday 13th September 2010
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john_p said:
Bucks County Council have put an online map of all bombs that were dropped in the war in the county

http://www.buckscc.gov.uk/sites/bcc/archives/ea_Bl...

Looking at the map I am really surprised how spread out the "air raids" were in 1940.

Previously I thought they were all targeted at centres of industry (initially) then the major population centres as
the war progressed - looking at this there seems to be a huge amount of bomb raids that hit farms, rural villages, etc. (I am not sure if a bomb icon on the map relates to one or many bombs)

Was this deliberate or just mistargeting, bombs being dumped after raids, and the like?
Don't forget they'd be targeting small airfields / satellite airfileds and military installations too.

Havng said that I'm surprised to see none on Silverstone. A few around Dadford/Stowe, but not that close.

IIRC there was also a wartime airfield nearby at Finmere.


TEKNOPUG

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206 months

Monday 13th September 2010
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Awful lot of "friendly fire" incidents. Are these planes crashing or AA shells landing?

Eric Mc

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266 months

Monday 13th September 2010
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Bombing accuracy at this stage in the war - especially at night - was notoriously poor. The RAF were just as bad.

Before WW2, bomber crews had only trained for daylight operations. The switch to night bombing came about because of the high loss rates being suffered, especially if the bombers were unescorted. The Luftwaffe had no formal night navigation or night bombing traing courses.

The RAF only introduced such courses from late 1940 onwards. Even then, Bomber Command didn't improve its accuracy until mid to late 1943 - and even then they made things easier for their crews by selecting whole towns and cities as the targets rather than specific factories, marshalling yards etc.

dr_gn

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185 months

Monday 13th September 2010
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TEKNOPUG said:
Awful lot of "friendly fire" incidents. Are these planes crashing or AA shells landing?
"The majority of their contents are reports of air raids by German planes or flying bombs but a significant minority are damage caused by Allied practice bombs or plane crashes."

Left click on a bomb on the map, tells you all you need to know...

Edited by dr_gn on Monday 13th September 14:44

TEKNOPUG

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Monday 13th September 2010
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The RAF precision-bombed area targets whereas the Yanks area-bombed precision targets hehe

john_p

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Monday 13th September 2010
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It seems all the Bucks airfields I can think of were unscathed by bombing raids, on that map.

That said I would assume records of bomb raids on airfields would have been kept secret, so maybe the councils were never aware of them..

Eric Mc

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Monday 13th September 2010
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TEKNOPUG said:
The RAF precision-bombed area targets whereas the Yanks area-bombed precision targets hehe
I think the words "attempted to" should also be inserted into that sentence.

dr_gn

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185 months

Monday 13th September 2010
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Eric Mc said:
Bombing accuracy at this stage in the war
It's for the entire war, more or less.

Ross1988

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184 months

Monday 13th September 2010
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TEKNOPUG said:
The RAF precision-bombed area targets whereas the Yanks area-bombed precision targets hehe
With pretty much the same results until late on in the war.

Eric Mc

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266 months

Monday 13th September 2010
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Looks like Slough got plastered. Was John Betchman acting as a spy for the Luftwaffe?

TEKNOPUG

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Monday 13th September 2010
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Eric Mc said:
TEKNOPUG said:
The RAF precision-bombed area targets whereas the Yanks attempted to area-bomb precision targets hehe
I think the words "attempted to" should also be inserted into that sentence.
Fixed

TEKNOPUG

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Monday 13th September 2010
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Eric Mc said:
Looks like Slough got plastered. Was John Betchman acting as a spy for the Luftwaffe?
Maybe we can ask them to make a return visit?

Eric Mc

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266 months

Monday 13th September 2010
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dr_gn said:
Eric Mc said:
Bombing accuracy at this stage in the war
It's for the entire war, more or less.
Even so, I'm sure the bulk of the raids must have been from the Summer of 1940 through to the Early Summer of 1941 after which the Luftwaffe's effort against the UK rapidly dminished as their resources were switched to the Eastern Front.
I know raids did continue at a dimiished level on and off for the rest of the war and then there was the V1 and V2 period in the Autumn of 1944.

mybrainhurts

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256 months

Monday 13th September 2010
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There's a map somewhere in the bowels of Sheffield Town Hall, showing the points that unexploded bombs hit the ground.

Some are still there but, as they can move a long way beneath the surface, nobody knows where they are now.

The Council intended to keep the map secret, in order to prevent worry.

I feel a Freedom of Information request coming on...smile


itsnotarace

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210 months

Monday 13th September 2010
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john_p said:
Was this deliberate or just mistargeting, bombs being dumped after raids, and the like?
A lot of bombs were dropped randomly to lighten the load as the bombers were intercepted by fighters. My parents farm had a good dozen craters as it was located only a few miles from Dunkirk tower





dr_gn

16,176 posts

185 months

Monday 13th September 2010
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mybrainhurts said:
There's a map somewhere in the bowels of Sheffield Town Hall, showing the points that unexploded bombs hit the ground.

Some are still there but, as they can move a long way beneath the surface, nobody knows where they are now.

The Council intended to keep the map secret, in order to prevent worry.

I feel a Freedom of Information request coming on...smile
The "Beam" for the first night of the Sheffield blitz crossed over the Duke of Wellington pub on the corner of Carlisle Street, bang in the middle of the steel works area. The beam was 'bent' over to the city centre, and that got a right pasting instead of the steelworks. Even so, when I worked at Forgemasters I often wondered what lay beneath!

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

256 months

Monday 13th September 2010
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dr_gn said:
mybrainhurts said:
There's a map somewhere in the bowels of Sheffield Town Hall, showing the points that unexploded bombs hit the ground.

Some are still there but, as they can move a long way beneath the surface, nobody knows where they are now.

The Council intended to keep the map secret, in order to prevent worry.

I feel a Freedom of Information request coming on...smile
The "Beam" for the first night of the Sheffield blitz crossed over the Duke of Wellington pub on the corner of Carlisle Street, bang in the middle of the steel works area. The beam was 'bent' over to the city centre, and that got a right pasting instead of the steelworks. Even so, when I worked at Forgemasters I often wondered what lay beneath!
Stupid bloody boffins should have bent it over Rotherham...hehe

dr_gn

16,176 posts

185 months

Monday 13th September 2010
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mybrainhurts said:
dr_gn said:
mybrainhurts said:
There's a map somewhere in the bowels of Sheffield Town Hall, showing the points that unexploded bombs hit the ground.

Some are still there but, as they can move a long way beneath the surface, nobody knows where they are now.

The Council intended to keep the map secret, in order to prevent worry.

I feel a Freedom of Information request coming on...smile
The "Beam" for the first night of the Sheffield blitz crossed over the Duke of Wellington pub on the corner of Carlisle Street, bang in the middle of the steel works area. The beam was 'bent' over to the city centre, and that got a right pasting instead of the steelworks. Even so, when I worked at Forgemasters I often wondered what lay beneath!
Stupid bloody boffins should have bent it over Rotherham...hehe
TBH it actually *looks* like they did. Even today.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

256 months

Monday 13th September 2010
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dr_gn said:
mybrainhurts said:
dr_gn said:
mybrainhurts said:
There's a map somewhere in the bowels of Sheffield Town Hall, showing the points that unexploded bombs hit the ground.

Some are still there but, as they can move a long way beneath the surface, nobody knows where they are now.

The Council intended to keep the map secret, in order to prevent worry.

I feel a Freedom of Information request coming on...smile
The "Beam" for the first night of the Sheffield blitz crossed over the Duke of Wellington pub on the corner of Carlisle Street, bang in the middle of the steel works area. The beam was 'bent' over to the city centre, and that got a right pasting instead of the steelworks. Even so, when I worked at Forgemasters I often wondered what lay beneath!
Stupid bloody boffins should have bent it over Rotherham...hehe
TBH it actually *looks* like they did. Even today.
rofl

When I take over, we're invading France and exiling the French to Rotherham.

That'll teach 'em...