Olympic recruiting racism?
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I was astounded when I read this on the London Olympic website recruiting page. Why bring the subject up at all? Just treat all applicants as equal and then see what they can offer in the way of qualifications and experience. The best person for the job gets it.
Why do they want to know what colour you are, if you're gay, disabled, jew, Christian or Muslim etc etc? WTF has it got to do with them? It looks to me that they will use this information to select applicants (why have it otherwise?) and they are looking to favour these groups?
Isn't that illegal? Racist and bigoted?
Quote:
Positive Action for Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic(BAME) people
LOCOG is actively committed to the employment and career development of Black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) people. We recognise that BAME people are traditionally under-represented in sporting organisations. We want to change that and encourage BAME people to apply to us as an employer of choice.
If you consider yourself to be from one of the above groups, then please help LOCOG take positive action by checking the box below. We will only use this information to take positive action in targeting BAME candidates for current and future LOCOG vacancies by providing information about the appropriate opportunities to you. It will not have any influence on our recruitment decisions or your current application.
Please note this is optional, and whether or not you tick this box will have no impact upon your application.
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Why do they want to know what colour you are, if you're gay, disabled, jew, Christian or Muslim etc etc? WTF has it got to do with them? It looks to me that they will use this information to select applicants (why have it otherwise?) and they are looking to favour these groups?
Isn't that illegal? Racist and bigoted?
Quote:
Positive Action for Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic(BAME) people
LOCOG is actively committed to the employment and career development of Black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) people. We recognise that BAME people are traditionally under-represented in sporting organisations. We want to change that and encourage BAME people to apply to us as an employer of choice.
If you consider yourself to be from one of the above groups, then please help LOCOG take positive action by checking the box below. We will only use this information to take positive action in targeting BAME candidates for current and future LOCOG vacancies by providing information about the appropriate opportunities to you. It will not have any influence on our recruitment decisions or your current application.
Please note this is optional, and whether or not you tick this box will have no impact upon your application.
We want a diverse workforce and to make the Games Everyone's 2012. To help us to check how we are doing, we need you to give us some information about yourself.
The information is anonymous and separate from your application. It is strictly confidential and only used to provide an overall profile analysis of LOCOG.
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LOCOG is committed to treating ex-offenders fairly.
So it would seem.
I like the way they ask peoples sexual preference and if they were even transgender!
One could almost think that they were up to something more sinister!
looks like I won't be getting a job with them then.
Mind you, it would be interesting to see what would happen if I said I was a transgender but sometimes gay, disabled, jewish Pakistani from Bangladesh, with TB, possibly AIDS, a criminal record and 70 years old.
I like the way they ask peoples sexual preference and if they were even transgender!
One could almost think that they were up to something more sinister!
looks like I won't be getting a job with them then.
Mind you, it would be interesting to see what would happen if I said I was a transgender but sometimes gay, disabled, jewish Pakistani from Bangladesh, with TB, possibly AIDS, a criminal record and 70 years old.
Edited by armynick on Friday 31st December 18:08
armynick said:
I was astounded when I read this on the London Olympic website recruiting page. Why bring the subject up at all? Just treat all applicants as equal and then see what they can offer in the way of qualifications and experience. The best person for the job gets it.
Why do they want to know what colour you are, if you're gay, disabled, jew, Christian or Muslim etc etc? WTF has it got to do with them?
They monitor it so that they can demonstrate afterward that they weren't biased in any respect, or excluding people because of colour, race, disability etc, that's all.Why do they want to know what colour you are, if you're gay, disabled, jew, Christian or Muslim etc etc? WTF has it got to do with them?
Sticks. said:
armynick said:
I was astounded when I read this on the London Olympic website recruiting page. Why bring the subject up at all? Just treat all applicants as equal and then see what they can offer in the way of qualifications and experience. The best person for the job gets it.
Why do they want to know what colour you are, if you're gay, disabled, jew, Christian or Muslim etc etc? WTF has it got to do with them?
They monitor it so that they can demonstrate afterward that they weren't biased in any respect, or excluding people because of colour, race, disability etc, that's all.Why do they want to know what colour you are, if you're gay, disabled, jew, Christian or Muslim etc etc? WTF has it got to do with them?
I think it's way over the top and totaly ridiculous. Another example of how pathetic and namby pamby British society is.
What do they mean 'ethnic minorities' under represented in sports.
Wasn't one Premier league football team entirely none English in the last couple of years.
Significant number of black players in football (and increasing numbers of orientals), American football lots of black players, boxing large numbers of blacks, long distance runners.
Fair enough not many black rowers or chess grandmasters. However, there is also a shortage of White players at Kabaddi.
Alternatively it's a failure to integrate with a different culture, something the white English cannot be accused of after all I see plenty of white kids wearing trousers so low I can see nearly all their underwear and saying init every few seconds.
Wasn't one Premier league football team entirely none English in the last couple of years.
Significant number of black players in football (and increasing numbers of orientals), American football lots of black players, boxing large numbers of blacks, long distance runners.
Fair enough not many black rowers or chess grandmasters. However, there is also a shortage of White players at Kabaddi.
Alternatively it's a failure to integrate with a different culture, something the white English cannot be accused of after all I see plenty of white kids wearing trousers so low I can see nearly all their underwear and saying init every few seconds.
armynick said:
Sticks. said:
armynick said:
I was astounded when I read this on the London Olympic website recruiting page. Why bring the subject up at all? Just treat all applicants as equal and then see what they can offer in the way of qualifications and experience. The best person for the job gets it.
Why do they want to know what colour you are, if you're gay, disabled, jew, Christian or Muslim etc etc? WTF has it got to do with them?
They monitor it so that they can demonstrate afterward that they weren't biased in any respect, or excluding people because of colour, race, disability etc, that's all.Why do they want to know what colour you are, if you're gay, disabled, jew, Christian or Muslim etc etc? WTF has it got to do with them?
It's the way it is.
voyds9 said:
What do they mean 'ethnic minorities' under represented in sports.
The reference I think you're trying to make from the above (assuming it is indeed accurate) is "...under represented in sporting organisations." which is an entirely different thing. You may wish to hold the belief that they are not under represented in sporting organisations, of course, or indeed that you do not care if it is the case, but the two are quite different.
Not the first time I've heard and read weird things about the Olympics.
Something stinks at the IOC, and it isn't sweaty athletes..
There is also something perverse and obscene about spending £12bn on two weeks of stupid games when people are losing their jobs and having their operations cancelled.
Something stinks at the IOC, and it isn't sweaty athletes..
There is also something perverse and obscene about spending £12bn on two weeks of stupid games when people are losing their jobs and having their operations cancelled.
Sticks. said:
armynick said:
I was astounded when I read this on the London Olympic website recruiting page. Why bring the subject up at all? Just treat all applicants as equal and then see what they can offer in the way of qualifications and experience. The best person for the job gets it.
Why do they want to know what colour you are, if you're gay, disabled, jew, Christian or Muslim etc etc? WTF has it got to do with them?
They monitor it so that they can demonstrate afterward that they weren't biased in any respect, or excluding people because of colour, race, disability etc, that's all.Why do they want to know what colour you are, if you're gay, disabled, jew, Christian or Muslim etc etc? WTF has it got to do with them?
Globs said:
Not the first time I've heard and read weird things about the Olympics.
Something stinks at the IOC, and it isn't sweaty athletes..
There is also something perverse and obscene about spending £12bn on two weeks of stupid games when people are losing their jobs and having their operations cancelled.
LOCOG isn't the IOC, it is a private company owned by the UK Government. Although your contention that the IOC stinks isn't an issue for me.Something stinks at the IOC, and it isn't sweaty athletes..
There is also something perverse and obscene about spending £12bn on two weeks of stupid games when people are losing their jobs and having their operations cancelled.
I don't mind people having a view that the money spent on hosting the games might be better spent elsewhere. Opinions are free. I'd like to see some evidence that money being spent on the games has come from the NHS budget, though. I'd be very interested (and enraged) if any operation had been cancelled directly due to the financing of the Olympics.
There's no racism there, the blurb quite clearly states that such information will have no bearing on their decision whether or not to employ a person.
I have no problem with such companies actively trying to get people from under-represented ethnic minorities involved in sport. For instance, I cannot think of a single English football Premiership player whose family came from the Indian subcontinent. There's no reason why such people shouldn't enjoy sport, so perhaps its a cultural problem and if we can break those boundaries down a little, that's a good thing IMO.
I have no problem with such companies actively trying to get people from under-represented ethnic minorities involved in sport. For instance, I cannot think of a single English football Premiership player whose family came from the Indian subcontinent. There's no reason why such people shouldn't enjoy sport, so perhaps its a cultural problem and if we can break those boundaries down a little, that's a good thing IMO.
Isn't ethnicity a case of what you 'perceive' yourself to be? Ergo, it would be quite possible for a caucasian person to deem themselves to be black or asian, and hence tick a (very desirable) 'minority' box.
This could be the way forwards. If you consider the system of 'positive discrimination' to be wrong (and, as has been said, it is still discrimination) then simply tick the box most likely to put you in a favourable light.
(I utterly agree with the notion that the system stinks, and LOCOG seems to be pretty near the centre of the bad smell.)
Oli.
This could be the way forwards. If you consider the system of 'positive discrimination' to be wrong (and, as has been said, it is still discrimination) then simply tick the box most likely to put you in a favourable light.
(I utterly agree with the notion that the system stinks, and LOCOG seems to be pretty near the centre of the bad smell.)
Oli.
Globs said:
Not the first time I've heard and read weird things about the Olympics.
Something stinks at the IOC,
AFAIK it isn't different to any other govt-related recruitment with regard to this monitoring.Something stinks at the IOC,
Parrot of Doom said:
There's no racism there, the blurb quite clearly states that such information will have no bearing on their decision whether or not to employ a person.
No more to it imo. If you really think there is, write to Boris and let us know what he says 
I'm off, Happy New Year all
paddyhasneeds said:
Sticks. said:
armynick said:
I was astounded when I read this on the London Olympic website recruiting page. Why bring the subject up at all? Just treat all applicants as equal and then see what they can offer in the way of qualifications and experience. The best person for the job gets it.
Why do they want to know what colour you are, if you're gay, disabled, jew, Christian or Muslim etc etc? WTF has it got to do with them?
They monitor it so that they can demonstrate afterward that they weren't biased in any respect, or excluding people because of colour, race, disability etc, that's all.Why do they want to know what colour you are, if you're gay, disabled, jew, Christian or Muslim etc etc? WTF has it got to do with them?
So collect the data and prove that all minorities applied but inly the best possible candidate got the job.
Parrot of Doom said:
There's no racism there, the blurb quite clearly states that such information will have no bearing on their decision whether or not to employ a person.
That's right, it will have no bearing on anything.They still want to know your race and your sexual habits and preferences though.
Just out of interest you understand. Curious strangers want to know.
Globs said:
Parrot of Doom said:
There's no racism there, the blurb quite clearly states that such information will have no bearing on their decision whether or not to employ a person.
That's right, it will have no bearing on anything.They still want to know your race and your sexual habits and preferences though.
Just out of interest you understand. Curious strangers want to know.
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