Camerons big society

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crankedup

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25,764 posts

244 months

Sunday 16th January 2011
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Seems to have gone quite on this subject lately, not surprising in view of other policies now being introduced. I know that many Conservative supporters frequent in here, perhaps one or two could shed some light on what the heck this 'Big Society' idea is and how its implementation is planned. All I know is that it will involve the voluntary sector in work that will be of benefit to the general public locally? Has anyone any indications as to where funding may be available and whether the intention is that 'new work' is foreseen or supplementary to existing volunteer schemes, perhaps both?
I am asking my M.P.the same questions.

VX Foxy

3,962 posts

244 months

Sunday 16th January 2011
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Quite what?

Randy Winkman

16,182 posts

190 months

Sunday 16th January 2011
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I don't think you will hear much about it since it basically means the Government not doing various things. There's not much can be said about that.

1A

684 posts

163 months

Sunday 16th January 2011
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crankedup said:
Seems to have gone quite on this subject lately, not surprising in view of other policies now being introduced. I know that many Conservative supporters frequent in here, perhaps one or two could shed some light on what the heck this 'Big Society' idea is and how its implementation is planned. All I know is that it will involve the voluntary sector in work that will be of benefit to the general public locally? Has anyone any indications as to where funding may be available and whether the intention is that 'new work' is foreseen or supplementary to existing volunteer schemes, perhaps both?
I am asking my M.P.the same questions.
Perhaps it would have been more pertinent for you to ask prior to the election?

Anyway the gist is this - you know how for 13 years labour tried to micro-manage every aspect of everyone's life even down to introducing terrorist legislation to spy on people who don't pick up dog pooh? Well under Cameron's big society, instead of having dozens of council employees sitting round in vans watching dogs st, you are now expected to be resposible enough to clear up the st yourself, or tell someone you see who doesn't, to clear it up. If you take that principle and extrapolate it to all the other issues in your community, you have Cameron's big society.

dandarez

13,293 posts

284 months

Sunday 16th January 2011
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1A said:
crankedup said:
Seems to have gone quite on this subject lately, not surprising in view of other policies now being introduced. I know that many Conservative supporters frequent in here, perhaps one or two could shed some light on what the heck this 'Big Society' idea is and how its implementation is planned. All I know is that it will involve the voluntary sector in work that will be of benefit to the general public locally? Has anyone any indications as to where funding may be available and whether the intention is that 'new work' is foreseen or supplementary to existing volunteer schemes, perhaps both?
I am asking my M.P.the same questions.
Perhaps it would have been more pertinent for you to ask prior to the election?

Anyway the gist is this - you know how for 13 years labour tried to micro-manage every aspect of everyone's life even down to introducing terrorist legislation to spy on people who don't pick up dog pooh? Well under Cameron's big society, instead of having dozens of council employees sitting round in vans watching dogs st, you are now expected to be resposible enough to clear up the st yourself, or tell someone you see who doesn't, to clear it up. If you take that principle and extrapolate it to all the other issues in your community, you have Cameron's big society.
So, in a nutshell, Big Society is really Big Brother, but they expect 'us' to do the dirty work (ie foc)?
Probably about spot on.

1A

684 posts

163 months

Sunday 16th January 2011
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dandarez said:
1A said:
crankedup said:
Seems to have gone quite on this subject lately, not surprising in view of other policies now being introduced. I know that many Conservative supporters frequent in here, perhaps one or two could shed some light on what the heck this 'Big Society' idea is and how its implementation is planned. All I know is that it will involve the voluntary sector in work that will be of benefit to the general public locally? Has anyone any indications as to where funding may be available and whether the intention is that 'new work' is foreseen or supplementary to existing volunteer schemes, perhaps both?
I am asking my M.P.the same questions.
Perhaps it would have been more pertinent for you to ask prior to the election?

Anyway the gist is this - you know how for 13 years labour tried to micro-manage every aspect of everyone's life even down to introducing terrorist legislation to spy on people who don't pick up dog pooh? Well under Cameron's big society, instead of having dozens of council employees sitting round in vans watching dogs st, you are now expected to be resposible enough to clear up the st yourself, or tell someone you see who doesn't, to clear it up. If you take that principle and extrapolate it to all the other issues in your community, you have Cameron's big society.
So, in a nutshell, Big Society is really Big Brother, but they expect 'us' to do the dirty work (ie foc)?
Probably about spot on.
No. Big brother is where the govt watch you. Big society is where the govt has no money left to watch you, so you have to watch yourself.

Bing o

15,184 posts

220 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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1A said:
No. Big brother is where the govt watch you. Big society is where the govt has no money left to watch you, so you have to watch yourself.
Is there anything wrong with that? It's about time the man and woman in the street took some responsibility for themselves and those around them.




ETA a missing word....

Edited by Bing o on Monday 17th January 06:15

dudleybloke

19,852 posts

187 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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Bing o said:
1A said:
No. Big brother is where the govt watch you. Big society is where the govt has no money left to watch you, so you have to watch yourself.
Is there anything wrong with that? It's about the man and woman in the street took some responsibility for themselves and those around them.
too true!

Randy Winkman

16,182 posts

190 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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dudleybloke said:
Bing o said:
1A said:
No. Big brother is where the govt watch you. Big society is where the govt has no money left to watch you, so you have to watch yourself.
Is there anything wrong with that? It's about the man and woman in the street took some responsibility for themselves and those around them.
too true!
So does Cameron just click his fingers and it all happens?

Bing o

15,184 posts

220 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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Randy Winkman said:
dudleybloke said:
Bing o said:
1A said:
No. Big brother is where the govt watch you. Big society is where the govt has no money left to watch you, so you have to watch yourself.
Is there anything wrong with that? It's about the man and woman in the street took some responsibility for themselves and those around them.
too true!
So does Cameron just click his fingers and it all happens?
Yes, but he's sent Frodo Clegg on a quest to throw the Ring of Mandelson into the Eye of Goredoom to break the spell over Middle England....

anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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Give hm a chance.

Don't forget it did take Labour a while to get going on fking up the economy and society with it's spend, spend, spend approach and smicro management.


crankedup

Original Poster:

25,764 posts

244 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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1A said:
crankedup said:
Seems to have gone quite on this subject lately, not surprising in view of other policies now being introduced. I know that many Conservative supporters frequent in here, perhaps one or two could shed some light on what the heck this 'Big Society' idea is and how its implementation is planned. All I know is that it will involve the voluntary sector in work that will be of benefit to the general public locally? Has anyone any indications as to where funding may be available and whether the intention is that 'new work' is foreseen or supplementary to existing volunteer schemes, perhaps both?
I am asking my M.P.the same questions.
Perhaps it would have been more pertinent for you to ask prior to the election?

Anyway the gist is this - you know how for 13 years labour tried to micro-manage every aspect of everyone's life even down to introducing terrorist legislation to spy on people who don't pick up dog pooh? Well under Cameron's big society, instead of having dozens of council employees sitting round in vans watching dogs st, you are now expected to be resposible enough to clear up the st yourself, or tell someone you see who doesn't, to clear it up. If you take that principle and extrapolate it to all the other issues in your community, you have Cameron's big society.
Erm, I did ask before the election and was none the wiser, now a year on still none the wiser. Politics as usual.

crankedup

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25,764 posts

244 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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garyhun said:
No, I want the Conservative view as its something that is apparently close to Cameron's heart.

Halb

53,012 posts

184 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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Randy Winkman said:
dudleybloke said:
Bing o said:
1A said:
No. Big brother is where the govt watch you. Big society is where the govt has no money left to watch you, so you have to watch yourself.
Is there anything wrong with that? It's about the man and woman in the street took some responsibility for themselves and those around them.
too true!
So does Cameron just click his fingers and it all happens?
Quite, how many generations will it be before the gyro swings around in the other direction towards personal responsibility?

Marf

22,907 posts

242 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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Halb said:
Randy Winkman said:
dudleybloke said:
Bing o said:
1A said:
No. Big brother is where the govt watch you. Big society is where the govt has no money left to watch you, so you have to watch yourself.
Is there anything wrong with that? It's about the man and woman in the street took some responsibility for themselves and those around them.
too true!
So does Cameron just click his fingers and it all happens?
Quite, how many generations will it be before the gyro swings around in the other direction towards personal responsibility?
Hopefully not many.

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

245 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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crankedup said:
garyhun said:
No, I want the Conservative view as its something that is apparently close to Cameron's heart.
Cameron's no Conservative and as far as I can tell the only thing close to his heart is his wallet.

Victor McDade

4,395 posts

183 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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Einion Yrth said:
crankedup said:
garyhun said:
No, I want the Conservative view as its something that is apparently close to Cameron's heart.
Cameron's no Conservative and as far as I can tell the only thing close to his heart is his wallet.
Too scared to slash public spending and all too quick to raise taxes. If Cameron was an American politician they would think we were mad by calling him a conservative. Over there he'd be to the left of Obama.

That said he still significantly better than the previous lot - think of general elections as a contest between to two turds and we have to pick the more polished one.

We're screwed but less so than had Brown still been in power.

anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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Will we get some tax back now that the government are going to pay for and provide less?

Thought not. hehe