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Well got mixed up in a fatality on what upto that point had been a fairly routine couple of trips to Brum and back tonight.Thankfully not my train but I was stopped just on the opposite line north of Congelton, a local to Stoke had hit someone as the driver was slowing for the station stop so it looked as if he was travelling fairly slowly.The body was clearly visable just behind the train.So my simpathy is with the Northern train crew and BTP who have to deal with this mess and to the relatives who no doubt have had the knock at the door. Why post on here ,well theres quite alot of BiB bashing on here but their the ones who have take this sort of thing regularly Civvy or BTP.I didn't have to get involved but it wasn't obivous as why the other train had stopped the signaller at Maccelsfield had no info so I walked the few hundred yards to get some info from the Northern crew to pass back to Mac box.So if you were trying to catch a trin out of Piccadilly towards Stoke in the rush hour tonigth thats why everything was screwed up!
Assuming it was suicide,it is an extremely selfish way to go,theres no other reason for this person to be where they were the only obvious way there is from Congelton station and then walk north.Another aspect of this is the signaller giving me authority to proceed past the site,he shouldn't have .Several passenger apprently saw the body,still delay was down to 17mins late at Piccadilly not a couple of hours
I was on a train a few years back that went through a closed station in Kent and hit a girl who was sat over the edge of the same platform.
After about an hour of being sat outside the station (around midnight, or just after) some rail workers were wandering around the train - I put my head out of the carriage window to see what was what, to spy them pulling a trainer - complete with foot, up the the mid shin - out from between the wheels.
In credit (?) to the rail chaps, they barely flinched.
Not pleasant, and I doubt I'll ever forget it, so God only knows what they make of it.
After about an hour of being sat outside the station (around midnight, or just after) some rail workers were wandering around the train - I put my head out of the carriage window to see what was what, to spy them pulling a trainer - complete with foot, up the the mid shin - out from between the wheels.
In credit (?) to the rail chaps, they barely flinched.
Not pleasant, and I doubt I'll ever forget it, so God only knows what they make of it.
Shaw Tarse said:
Is it wrong that I find this a selfish way of committing suicide?
My thoughts are with the driver!
I know some people really are going through hell when they commit suicide, but is there any way that isn't?My thoughts are with the driver!
Obviously there are some people with no family etc, but there is always somebody affected by it who has done no wrong.
Wonderful another thread on the selfishness of suicide.
Has it never dawned on people that the only loser in a suicide is the person who loses their life, they are not gaining anything by it.
In fact, rather than thinking of themselves they are generally thinking about the burden they are lifting from their family.
So please can we once, not turn this into a "people who commit suicide are selfish pricks" thread?
OP, sorry you had to see something stressful today, I hope it doesn't cause you any lost sleep. My thoughts are also with the family who are now finding out that somebody they cared about was in such a poor frame of mind that they thought that their death was the only thing that would bring them peace.
Has it never dawned on people that the only loser in a suicide is the person who loses their life, they are not gaining anything by it.
In fact, rather than thinking of themselves they are generally thinking about the burden they are lifting from their family.
So please can we once, not turn this into a "people who commit suicide are selfish pricks" thread?
OP, sorry you had to see something stressful today, I hope it doesn't cause you any lost sleep. My thoughts are also with the family who are now finding out that somebody they cared about was in such a poor frame of mind that they thought that their death was the only thing that would bring them peace.
freecar said:
Wonderful another thread on the selfishness of suicide.
Has it never dawned on people that the only loser in a suicide is the person who loses their life, they are not gaining anything by it.
In fact, rather than thinking of themselves they are generally thinking about the burden they are lifting from their family.
So please can we once, not turn this into a "people who commit suicide are selfish pricks" thread?
OP, sorry you had to see something stressful today, I hope it doesn't cause you any lost sleep. My thoughts are also with the family who are now finding out that somebody they cared about was in such a poor frame of mind that they thought that their death was the only thing that would bring them peace.
+1Has it never dawned on people that the only loser in a suicide is the person who loses their life, they are not gaining anything by it.
In fact, rather than thinking of themselves they are generally thinking about the burden they are lifting from their family.
So please can we once, not turn this into a "people who commit suicide are selfish pricks" thread?
OP, sorry you had to see something stressful today, I hope it doesn't cause you any lost sleep. My thoughts are also with the family who are now finding out that somebody they cared about was in such a poor frame of mind that they thought that their death was the only thing that would bring them peace.
My uncle works for LU in their emergency responce engineering team. They get the choice job of lifting carriages if the FB need it after one unders. He did that for years until he was on duty following the London bombings and was involved in the aftermath of that. After the toll of that, he was put on office duties and just does admin now.
Some of the stuff he's dealt with, well, I don't know how he did TBH.
Some of the stuff he's dealt with, well, I don't know how he did TBH.
Oh my god people.
Do you really think a human being is supposed to deliberately take their own life. It goes against all human instincts for self preservation to do this and the only reason they can override it is because they've a mental illness.
That schizophrenic bloke who murdered those women? He was so selfish.
Joseph Fritzel, selfish father?
Raul Mote, selfish taxi driver?
Ian Huntley, selfish caretaker?
Hitler, selfish Austrian?
No. They were all MENTAL!
Do you really think a human being is supposed to deliberately take their own life. It goes against all human instincts for self preservation to do this and the only reason they can override it is because they've a mental illness.
That schizophrenic bloke who murdered those women? He was so selfish.
Joseph Fritzel, selfish father?
Raul Mote, selfish taxi driver?
Ian Huntley, selfish caretaker?
Hitler, selfish Austrian?
No. They were all MENTAL!
Outbound said:
+1
-2. Emotive subject but
Sorry just don't agree with your view or the guy above. However 'easy/difficult' it is to top yourself and i know they are not themselves and suffering from a mental inllness etc.
My sympathy is fully with the 'innocent' party. I'e train driver. motorist. Trucker etc.
Maybe if the 'distraught' family got more involved earlier other innocents wouldn't suffer
W124Bob said:
Assuming it was suicide,it is an extremely selfish way to go,theres no other reason for this person to be where they were the only obvious way there is from Congelton station and then walk north.Another aspect of this is the signaller giving me authority to proceed past the site,he shouldn't have .Several passenger apprently saw the body,still delay was down to 17mins late at Piccadilly not a couple of hours
A good few years ago a train I was on passed a body that was still uncovered by the side of the track - it wasn't a pretty sight seeing the twisted and headless remains of a person. It gave me nightmares for a long time afterwards, and I complained directly to BR, but just got the brushoff.Rollcage said:
A good few years ago a train I was on passed a body that was still uncovered by the side of the track - it wasn't a pretty sight seeing the twisted and headless remains of a person. It gave me nightmares for a long time afterwards, and I complained directly to BR, but just got the brushoff.
Shag me ambulance/compo chasing of the highest order . Were BR aware it was there ?
I suggest you pursue the deceased's family for mental trauma compo
Taking out all suicide related stuff, its sound slike a case of mis-communication between all parties. But its one of those devil you do, devil you don't type things. If the signaller (with the correct info about body being covered etc) holds trains up then the train passengers moan they are late getting to their destinations, there was no need for us to sit there etc etc, but if he lets the train through and passengers see the body then the squemish kick up and want trauma money.
When I've been involved with jumpers, it was normally a quick check to find the big bits of the body so its sort of whole, maybe a quick jet wash of the fron of the train if needed and the line was opened again with a new driver taking it for an engine change or on its way, but that was a main line in to a large airport so it couldn't be closed for long.
Have been covered by 'remnants' of a jumper on a station platform but didn't notice til the driver looked at me and threw up, when i looked down and saw myself covered in the jumper! Luckily, I'm totally unfazed by anything like this and just changed my overalls before going it the canteen but the driver was a complete mess emotionally. A relative of the family used to drive trains, but couldn't get in a cab after a jumper splattered in front of him, ahe said all he ever saw was the guys face against the window. British Rail were really good with him, counselling, time off, no pressure to return or drive and eventually, a job in a signal box etc.
When I've been involved with jumpers, it was normally a quick check to find the big bits of the body so its sort of whole, maybe a quick jet wash of the fron of the train if needed and the line was opened again with a new driver taking it for an engine change or on its way, but that was a main line in to a large airport so it couldn't be closed for long.
Have been covered by 'remnants' of a jumper on a station platform but didn't notice til the driver looked at me and threw up, when i looked down and saw myself covered in the jumper! Luckily, I'm totally unfazed by anything like this and just changed my overalls before going it the canteen but the driver was a complete mess emotionally. A relative of the family used to drive trains, but couldn't get in a cab after a jumper splattered in front of him, ahe said all he ever saw was the guys face against the window. British Rail were really good with him, counselling, time off, no pressure to return or drive and eventually, a job in a signal box etc.
speedyguy said:
Shag me ambulance/compo chasing of the highest order .
Were BR aware it was there ?
I suggest you pursue the deceased's family for mental trauma compo
Completely wrong.. Were BR aware it was there ?
I suggest you pursue the deceased's family for mental trauma compo
BR were well aware that it was there, we had been stationary for the best part of an hour because of it. This was a pretty packed express on the Penzance line - I didn't feel it appropriate or respectful that a train full of people was allowed to slowly pass an uncovered body in that state. I just happened to be looking out of the window at the time - I'd hate to think of the potential impact on a young child.
As regards the 'selfishness' issue - people who commit suicide are very selfish in the final act anyhow (excluding some scenarios) as it destroys the family and many lives besides their own, so presumably the affect on strangers wouldn't even come into the equation, they have gone way beyond rational thought by this point.
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