Why are all new cars having lights on all the time, EU law?

Why are all new cars having lights on all the time, EU law?

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Acheron

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643 posts

165 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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I've noticed now, a lot of 60/11 plated cars have lights on all the time, like these horrible crappy LEDs.

I heard a while ago it was due to some horrible EU law that stated all new cars needed to have daytime running lights or something.

Any truth to this?

MX7

7,902 posts

175 months

DLovett

329 posts

164 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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Yes. It's been like that in the Nordic countries for decades. Supposed to increase visibility, which I tend to believe.

FraserLFA

5,083 posts

175 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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Well that's the thread finished now biggrin

joebongo

1,516 posts

176 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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But there doesn't seem to be any regulation as to their intensity - some of them are just attention whoring (Audi) and some are plain in your face dazzling (new Merc ones for example), and why they are allowed to be very low at foglight level escapes me as well.


Rich_W

12,548 posts

213 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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DLovett said:
Yes. It's been like that in the Nordic countries for decades. Supposed to increase visibility, which I tend to believe.
Until EVERYONE has their lights on and then our brain filters it out. There's a reason bikers are taught to ride with their light on. If everyone ignores that I suspect ther'll be an increase in SMIDSY events

Acheron

Original Poster:

643 posts

165 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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Rich_W said:
Until EVERYONE has their lights on and then our brain filters it out. There's a reason bikers are taught to ride with their light on. If everyone ignores that I suspect ther'll be an increase in SMIDSY events
This is what i thought.

Remember when you saw a hi-vis jacket and instantly knew it was the police? Now it could be the street cleaner, road mender, crossing patrol or paperboy.

I just dont see the point of it either.

Does every new car have to have it by law? Or is it optional for the manufacturer. I assume you cant turn it off?

Dr JonboyG

2,561 posts

240 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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They look a bit odd but there's quite a lot of data showing that daylight running lights cut down the number of accidents. And anything that helps the disinterested general public drive a little better and not crash into you is probably a good thing.

WRT mandated features on cars, from next year the US requires all new cars to have stability control I believe, as well as tyre pressure monitors and traction control. Ugh.

Dracoro

8,685 posts

246 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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Dr JonboyG said:
They look a bit odd but there's quite a lot of data showing that daylight running lights cut down the number of accidents. And anything that helps the disinterested general public drive a little better and not crash into you is probably a good thing.
Maybe in winter/wet conditions when daylight isn't great. However, I do not believe it helps in the middle of the day in nice weather like to day.

If they can manage rain sensitive wipers, why not proper light sensitive lights - not these silly ones that come on for a couple of seconds and then off again biggrin

Chrisw666

22,655 posts

200 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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My Volvo is 13 and the lights are always on dipped beam, I can turn sidelights only on but can't turn them off completely.

Ari

19,349 posts

216 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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Dr JonboyG said:
WRT mandated features on cars, from next year the US requires all new cars to have stability control I believe, as well as tyre pressure monitors and traction control. Ugh.
Ugh?

cptsideways

13,551 posts

253 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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For a very good reason......


DRL's are visible (hence noticable) in your pereiphal vision, even if your not looking wink Junction type accidents have reduced quite dramticaly in EU countries where they were more recently made advisory/law.

Macd355

320 posts

175 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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I've turned the ones off in the Golf. They stay off too .

Wills2

22,894 posts

176 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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I mostly drive with my dipped beams on, BUT with my nasty LED DRL's off.

BlueMR2

8,656 posts

203 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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cptsideways said:
For a very good reason......


DRL's are visible (hence noticable) in your pereiphal vision, even if your not looking wink Junction type accidents have reduced quite dramticaly in EU countries where they were more recently made advisory/law.
That because there seems to be no law with regards led drls. Consequently they point all over the place and are brighter than the headlights.

Maybe they wouldn't be needed if cars didn't have a pillars so thick you can lose a queue of cars in them.

Hitler Hadrump

1,750 posts

174 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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I don't like them and am not convinced of their safety benefits. But you can't fight the EU and they're not going away. So I'm trying to force myself to like them.

LIGHTS ARE PRETTY - LIGHTS ARE PRETTY - LIGHTS ARE PRETTY

I drive a black car so I could benefit from some additional visibility. I could drive with the lights on but it would be better to wire some superbright Halfords LEDs into the ignition, that way I won't forget to turn them on.

LIGHTS ARE PRETTY - LIGHTS ARE PRETTY - LIGHTS ARE PRETTY

Those green lasers which burn through things, I might tack some of those on as well. Studies show they reduce accidents.

Busa_Rush

6,930 posts

252 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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cptsideways said:
For a very good reason......


DRL's are visible (hence noticable) in your pereiphal vision, even if your not looking wink Junction type accidents have reduced quite dramticaly in EU countries where they were more recently made advisory/law.
Until the majority of cars have them and the brain adapts to them . . . then we're back to the start again.

Mafioso

2,349 posts

215 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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Wills2 said:
I mostly drive with my dipped beams on, BUT with my nasty LED DRL's off.
FFS why!?

The Black Flash

13,735 posts

199 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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It's for your safety, citizen.
Compliance brings peace and happiness. Questions bring disturbance and disunity.

cheadle hulme

2,457 posts

183 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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The ones on the Citroen DS3 are like a pair cut down light sabres on level 3 sith power - eye blindingly wkerish.