Private road and parking issues
Discussion
I live in a private street with mostly retired people.
After about 5 years of local streets being over run with 95% hospital staff parking in and clogging and in some cases blocking people's drives the council have finally put in permit zones. This has pushed the same people who won't pay £1.50 for local park and ride and the hospital permits. As out street is private we have now been over run in the last few weeks. We had 1/2 previously and the local NHW guy used to see them off but his wife has just died and he has understandably had other things on his mind.
I never really appreciated the job he did until the last few weeks were we have been swamped. I don't have much sympathy for them as its not at nightworkers it's office hours and the park and ride is £1.50 all day and not far. Unfortunately after years of doing this some of these folk have become rather uncaring and nasty if you complain they hang over your drive or block it I have this week issued notices asking to cease and desist and pointing out it is a private road and the hospital are doing a bulletin to staff. I have stated it is private and from1st December a parking enforcement company will be fining drivers.
Now we don't want to go down this route but I have got hold of 20 parking tickets from a company with window wallets etc.
How am I legally if I use these are a scare tactic. About half the 5 cars have returned defiant even after the letters were placed on their cars.
There have been a few streets that started damaging cars and of course the same people who park in considerately in front of drives don't waste any time going to the local fish wrapper to complain their car has been keyed.
After about 5 years of local streets being over run with 95% hospital staff parking in and clogging and in some cases blocking people's drives the council have finally put in permit zones. This has pushed the same people who won't pay £1.50 for local park and ride and the hospital permits. As out street is private we have now been over run in the last few weeks. We had 1/2 previously and the local NHW guy used to see them off but his wife has just died and he has understandably had other things on his mind.
I never really appreciated the job he did until the last few weeks were we have been swamped. I don't have much sympathy for them as its not at nightworkers it's office hours and the park and ride is £1.50 all day and not far. Unfortunately after years of doing this some of these folk have become rather uncaring and nasty if you complain they hang over your drive or block it I have this week issued notices asking to cease and desist and pointing out it is a private road and the hospital are doing a bulletin to staff. I have stated it is private and from1st December a parking enforcement company will be fining drivers.
Now we don't want to go down this route but I have got hold of 20 parking tickets from a company with window wallets etc.
How am I legally if I use these are a scare tactic. About half the 5 cars have returned defiant even after the letters were placed on their cars.
There have been a few streets that started damaging cars and of course the same people who park in considerately in front of drives don't waste any time going to the local fish wrapper to complain their car has been keyed.
Well after letters 2 cars have continued defiant.both drivers look very young. The golf parked opposite a neighbours drive yesterday and he could barely get out . Also the golf was nearly involved in a crash with a neighbour as he seems to be a junior doctor and was on his phone when leaving the other night.
Have today placed tickets on two cars, if the return I will put copy dvla keeper requests.
Have today placed tickets on two cars, if the return I will put copy dvla keeper requests.
Edited by surveyor_101 on Tuesday 1st December 13:56
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When it was one or two considerate people who weren't s nuisance we made exceptions. As usual a you get some idiots who ruin it for everyone. You dad or grandad was having their drive blocked by some inconsiderate 20s parking his car on his phone and walking off how would you feel.
There are two cars I have gone after and left 1 other as they come and go without nuisance.
Sump said:
So this is essentially some poor people scrapping over some land that is infront of their house but doesn't belong to them? Lol.
Not so much that there is an empty house but these people aren't even intelligent/thoughtful enough to park there they are just pulling up right opposite people's drives and dumping their cars. One drives around on his phone and keeps having near misses, for 6 months we had 1/2 and they generally parked out of people's way. Then you get these 2/3 who drive like muppets abandon their cars infront of people's drives one parked bang slap infront of my car and I said are you going to be long he replied 4/5 hrs I said in the case don't block me in.When it was one or two considerate people who weren't s nuisance we made exceptions. As usual a you get some idiots who ruin it for everyone. You dad or grandad was having their drive blocked by some inconsiderate 20s parking his car on his phone and walking off how would you feel.
There are two cars I have gone after and left 1 other as they come and go without nuisance.
Edited by surveyor_101 on Tuesday 1st December 17:29
Edited by surveyor_101 on Tuesday 1st December 17:32
Breadvan72 said:
Do the occupants own or lease the land in front of their houses or not, OP? If they don't, they can't control what goes on there. If they do, they probably can. When you say that the road is private, can you be more precise about what you mean by this?
I believe it belongs to the chap at the end, it's on his deads.Sump said:
If this is the case then you won't have any problem taking a picture and proving the inconsiderate parking on here, just so we know you're not one of 'those' folks.
I have been using up holiday and been home the last week and so not taking snaps off incidents when I have been at work.There was one yesterday but I didn't take a a photo
Breadvan72 said:
Ignore tvrgit, OP. He is some pub expert wannabe lawyer.
We a appear to have scared off the majority and now just have one or two inconsiderate ones I am trying to see off.If we get a couple of people who don't cause any trouble then fine.
I am not fussed on the legality most of these people can't park a car properly let alone read legal text or work out if we are correct stating its private road. I like the idea and have printed the keeper details request form copy competed on their cars.
pingu393 said:
OP, are any of the parked cars stopping you leave?
I read a thread a couple of months ago that was about blocking driveways. I learned that blocking access was ok, but blocking exit was illegal.
One when to my other half shouted me to go and look.I read a thread a couple of months ago that was about blocking driveways. I learned that blocking access was ok, but blocking exit was illegal.
Road is barley 5m wide and despite there being cars Yesterday the 70 year opposite couldn't get his car out as he has health issues and the parked opposite his drive when there was other spots were they would cause no bother. It's the lack of consideration with a few of them one parked almost touching my car so I couldn't get in the boot when there were other spaces.
Joeguard1990 said:
No of course not, but they are not parking on his driveway are they. For all we know the cars are parked legally, it still hasn't been properly established by the OP yet. As I said, fair enough if they are actually blocking you in because that's a different story.
Other than one incident the cars are not blocking driveways fully but parking opposite and causing issues for many of the residents.Today we have 8 and several residents have and not been able to park when returning home.
Since all the other streets are resident zones not sure where people think they will park.
We have new cars today and other than one repeat offender who I have placed a keeper details form copy filled in, and it was gone by 12:30
Greendubber said:
Where couldnt the residents park, outside their houses on the road?
In the road all available space outside peoples houses and drives was gone.The near by roads are permit holders only or double yellow.
A lady down the road has already reversed off her drive and hit an awkwardly parked car opposite her drive and had to pay for the damage/insurance.
This is after she asked the driver if they could park further up or down so she wasn't bang slap opposite her drive.
Edited by surveyor_101 on Wednesday 2nd December 14:41
Edited by surveyor_101 on Wednesday 2nd December 14:41
Edited by surveyor_101 on Wednesday 2nd December 14:43
Joeguard1990 said:
Okay lets just pretend for a minute that the road isn't private and the people are parking there legally.
The OP's main gripe is basically that these people are taking up all the spaces along the road and parking opposite driveways.
If this was the case, then unless you have a car with the driveway, unfortunately there is nothing that can be done about this, hence my post about living somewhere where parking is limited and people who work nearby need the spaces also.
If your neighbor can't reverse out of her drive without hitting a legally parked car opposite then that's her problem.
If however as BreadVan72 points out that the road is indeed private, and this needs to be established first, then you have actions you can take.
So if you live in a road that is barely 5 metres wide and commuters park bag slap opposite your families (mum, gran) drive your answer if you can't reserve out tuff don't go out in your car. Not the person parking opposite your drives problem don't tell the to park elsewhere.The OP's main gripe is basically that these people are taking up all the spaces along the road and parking opposite driveways.
If this was the case, then unless you have a car with the driveway, unfortunately there is nothing that can be done about this, hence my post about living somewhere where parking is limited and people who work nearby need the spaces also.
If your neighbor can't reverse out of her drive without hitting a legally parked car opposite then that's her problem.
If however as BreadVan72 points out that the road is indeed private, and this needs to be established first, then you have actions you can take.
In most cases there are other places in the road that don't cause this issue as well.
Must be a pro commuter parker
Local paper today has a woman who is outraged that she has been using a private street as commuter car park between the hours of 9-6 and someone has bumped her car. The car is new but she no money so close to xmas to afford repairs. She states people in the road need to be more careful when manoeuvring! Seems the mindset of the sub 30s generations is the world owes me a living. Seems to be a distinct lack of thought into consequences of their actions and when it all goes wrong it's everyone else's fault.
I would never work on the basis that if I had a job in town I wouldn't use one of two park and rides which are £1.50 a day or use a car park. Indeed after leaving college had a job in town and forked out for multi storey 3/4 pounds a day when there was no park and ride, I didn't go I can afford a brand new car if I park in local residents streets and avoid paying my way on parking. 100 yards from were she parked is. £5 all day car park. But the new car seems to have murdered her budget.
I would never work on the basis that if I had a job in town I wouldn't use one of two park and rides which are £1.50 a day or use a car park. Indeed after leaving college had a job in town and forked out for multi storey 3/4 pounds a day when there was no park and ride, I didn't go I can afford a brand new car if I park in local residents streets and avoid paying my way on parking. 100 yards from were she parked is. £5 all day car park. But the new car seems to have murdered her budget.
Edited by surveyor_101 on Wednesday 2nd December 17:05
Swervin_Mervin said:
That might become an issue of obstructing the highway. Whether anyone would do anything about it is another matter.
Avon and Somerset can usually spare a couple of chocolate fire guard pcso's to give their ill informed two pence worth. In my experience they normally follow the path of least resistance blame the residents. That's if there not two busy sorting out southwest one or the chief who has now gone to g4s after 8 misconduct complaints. Then the PCC goes and reveals the name of witness to these complaints. I am still waiting for a answer from a complaint on something unrelated from October!Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff