Caught doing 113mph....pleading not guilty?
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The guy who has the desk next to me at work was caught doing 113 on an Mway.
He was followed by a police can over a fair distance, it looks like they had no specific speed detection equipment, going from what my associate is telling me, just video with an MPH of the police car and time.
Anyway my question: My friends legal team(?) have advised him to not turn up at court and to plead not guilty.
He is happy to admit to going 70+, but not 110+.
Surly he’s better off pleading guilty to speeding, then arguing that it was less than 110, or am I understanding this wrong?
He was followed by a police can over a fair distance, it looks like they had no specific speed detection equipment, going from what my associate is telling me, just video with an MPH of the police car and time.
Anyway my question: My friends legal team(?) have advised him to not turn up at court and to plead not guilty.
He is happy to admit to going 70+, but not 110+.
Surly he’s better off pleading guilty to speeding, then arguing that it was less than 110, or am I understanding this wrong?
CYMR0 said:
I presume that there is good reason to believe that the 113 mph figure is inaccurate.
Unclear, but I think it’s based on the difference in ban between sub 110 and over 110 mph along with the manner in which his speed was calculated by the police (single officer in a car,with video), makes it worth arguing over.Incidentally, we were just chatting about this over lunch, he was unaware that he had to retake his test after a ban, not just get his license handed back to him (I have limited sympathy for him, but I shouldn’t be finding this as funny as I do).
The office we're sitting in is about 270 miles from his house, so his ability to drive is important to him.
johnwilliams77 said:
agtlaw said:
A fair question. Like many threads on PH, this is yet another example of a discussion where the OP is not actually seeking advice. It couldn't be because a legal 'team' has been instructed, and its always a friend/relative/work collegue in any event. OP appears to be looking for something quite different. Not sure what he wants though.
My posting here isn't seeking advice to aid the case in question, it's purly for my interest as the advise offered to my desk mate seems counter intuitive.
zebra said:
DMN said:
Ali Chappussy said:
Liokault said:
The office we're sitting in is about 270 miles from his house, so his ability to drive is important to him.
If his licence means so much to him, why was he doing 113mph in the first place? Sorry, I have no sympathy for him, hope he gets a long ban and a huge fine.Before you flame me, I know someone who was killed by a speeding motorist doing well in excess of 110mph.
I'd be asking who drives a total of 540 miles a day to go to work. That's totalling virtually 130k miles a year allowing for four weeks holiday, adding up to about 13k a year on fuel.
Really? Must be a frickin' awesome job to put up with that. None of the figures include weekend and other social travel.
And let's say he doesn't have to reach 70, he can just do it that speed door to door, he is spending 38 hours a week minimum in his car.
And for those that go, ah yes but he was doing 113mph, he would still be spending 28 hours during the working week, not including weekends.
Disclaimer: I'm in a far flung time zone so if my maths is off, I apologise. It's very early morning for me at the moment.
Saying that, I'm doing 200 miles a day and 16 hours a week driving to the site right now!!!
PorkInsider said:
Completely agree.
Some people on PH won't be happy until every professional who posts advice which would normally have to be paid for (however concise) gives up doing so.
Much better that someone who's recognised as a subject matter expert gives a simple answer such as "that's wrong" than 20 posts from others who, although trying to be helpful, are talking about how their uncle's dog sitter's niece got off with 3 points for 120mph in a 30mph because the copper had his handcuffs hanging from the wrong side of his belt. Or something.
Perhaps even if professional advise was specifically sought, or indeed this "recognised" expert was established on the thread as such, perhaps even.Some people on PH won't be happy until every professional who posts advice which would normally have to be paid for (however concise) gives up doing so.
Much better that someone who's recognised as a subject matter expert gives a simple answer such as "that's wrong" than 20 posts from others who, although trying to be helpful, are talking about how their uncle's dog sitter's niece got off with 3 points for 120mph in a 30mph because the copper had his handcuffs hanging from the wrong side of his belt. Or something.
As it is his post was pointless and mildly annoying , at best.
PorkInsider said:
Completely agree.
Some people on PH won't be happy until every professional who posts advice which would normally have to be paid for (however concise) gives up doing so.
Much better that someone who's recognised as a subject matter expert gives a simple answer such as "that's wrong" than 20 posts from others who, although trying to be helpful, are talking about how their uncle's dog sitter's niece got off with 3 points for 120mph in a 30mph because the copper had his handcuffs hanging from the wrong side of his belt. Or something.
Perhaps even if professional advise was specifically sought, or indeed this "recognised" expert was established on the thread as such, perhaps even.Some people on PH won't be happy until every professional who posts advice which would normally have to be paid for (however concise) gives up doing so.
Much better that someone who's recognised as a subject matter expert gives a simple answer such as "that's wrong" than 20 posts from others who, although trying to be helpful, are talking about how their uncle's dog sitter's niece got off with 3 points for 120mph in a 30mph because the copper had his handcuffs hanging from the wrong side of his belt. Or something.
As it is his post was pointless and mildly annoying , at best.
REALIST123 said:
Liokault said:
PorkInsider said:
Completely agree.
Some people on PH won't be happy until every professional who posts advice which would normally have to be paid for (however concise) gives up doing so.
Much better that someone who's recognised as a subject matter expert gives a simple answer such as "that's wrong" than 20 posts from others who, although trying to be helpful, are talking about how their uncle's dog sitter's niece got off with 3 points for 120mph in a 30mph because the copper had his handcuffs hanging from the wrong side of his belt. Or something.
Perhaps even if professional advise was specifically sought, or indeed this "recognised" expert was established on the thread as such, perhaps even.Some people on PH won't be happy until every professional who posts advice which would normally have to be paid for (however concise) gives up doing so.
Much better that someone who's recognised as a subject matter expert gives a simple answer such as "that's wrong" than 20 posts from others who, although trying to be helpful, are talking about how their uncle's dog sitter's niece got off with 3 points for 120mph in a 30mph because the copper had his handcuffs hanging from the wrong side of his belt. Or something.
As it is his post was pointless and mildly annoying , at best.
Interesting attitude you have, insulting the one guy on here able to give you proper guidance.
It's 'advice' by the way, not 'advise'.
Anyway, I feel that I have discussed his post well past the level that it holds my interest. Court date is 27th, I'll report back then.
Incidentally, we have a guy in the office who was done at 110, he' would have been 21ish at the time (about 3 years ago) he got off with just 6 points. That seems very lenient.
agtlaw said:
Liokault said:
Nice input. I forgot why I stopped bothering making threads, I remember now.
So what is correct in law?
56+ day ban means your licence is revoked. No retest. Just complete a form. From memory, Form D1.So what is correct in law?
Up date for the sake of closure:
Previous court date was just to put a plea in....in this case not guilty.
Adjourned till this week where he got 6 points on his license and a £550 fine. Quite a result as he was fully expecting a ban.
He was into £2k+ with his lawyer in the summer, not sure what his final bill is.
Previous court date was just to put a plea in....in this case not guilty.
Adjourned till this week where he got 6 points on his license and a £550 fine. Quite a result as he was fully expecting a ban.
He was into £2k+ with his lawyer in the summer, not sure what his final bill is.
Mike_Mac said:
Greg66 said:
Used your amazing powers of hindsight even more effectively?
Meh! The NG plea seemed a bit strange considering what he got, then I realised he was going for the 70+, which was a bit different. Shoot me!Main (pertinent) question is how they accepted 70+ vs 113mph though? Did the court accept the speedo wasn't sufficient evidence?
My colleague via some process tha I don't understand told is lawyer that he didn't want to take it to court, so they agreed that he would accept a guilty plea to 99mph.
Not going to court left his total legal bill at £700 or so. I got the figure wrong from an earlier conversation.
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