Dangerous driving for excess speed

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What's the rules on Dangerous Driving? Can Police charge you with this just for speeding?

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Magic919 said:

They do this a lot in Scotland. Might be worth mentioning location for when the experts appear.

Warwickshire

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Durzel said:

How fast? What limit? Any other factors you can think of eg aggressive undertaking etc?

110 and yes they saw an undertake

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Gavia said:

What does the paperwork that they've given you say?

Dangerous Driving

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280E said:

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110 and yes they saw an undertake

Was that 'undertake' performed @ 110mph?

No

I had experienced some agro with the driver of this car earlier. He had brake tested me. I was keeping my distance. As I saw a clear area in lane 1 and he didn't move over I did and went past. This was at maybe executed at 70 - 80 as we had only just left a round about with lights in red and he was not traveling fast. I was then in some clear road and wanted to stretch out some distance from this plonker so there would be no more problems. So I accelerated and then slowed down. This is when the Police caught up with me.

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Durzel said:

You will need to speak to a solicitor regardless, but what you've described doesn't sound like a slam dunk DD case, though it could qualify as careless.

The problem is the speed involved plus the undertaking (which in and of itself isn't illegal) looks bad, and the sentencing for DD is - as one might expect - pretty severe, including mandatory minimum disqualification period & extended retest.

How long is the mandatory minimum disqualification - and then after this would I have zero points?

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Finally got a letter through for this just 2 days short of 6 months since it happened. The charges are Careless and Excess speed.

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ATM said:

No

I had experienced some agro with the driver of this car earlier. He had brake tested me. I was keeping my distance. As I saw a clear area in lane 1 and he didn't move over I did and went past. This was at maybe executed at 70 - 80 as we had only just left a round about with lights in red and he was not traveling fast. I was then in some clear road and wanted to stretch out some distance from this plonker so there would be no more problems. So I accelerated and then slowed down. This is when the Police caught up with me.

Is the speeding a slam dunk?

Their letter says between 110 and 120. It does not mention video or any form of electronic gizmo so are they guessing.

Remember i passed a car on the inside and for a time i was therefore out of sight of the police car as it was still caught up behind these cars. Then there is a long bend so the police car wouldn't have been able to see me until after this bend. I was then travelling at a more sensible speed when they could see me but yes there would have been a distance between me and the police car. Is this distance enough for them to guess my speed?

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Breadvan72 said:

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No

I had experienced some agro with the driver of this car earlier. He had brake tested me. I was keeping my distance. As I saw a clear area in lane 1 and he didn't move over I did and went past. This was at maybe executed at 70 - 80 as we had only just left a round about with lights in red and he was not traveling fast. I was then in some clear road and wanted to stretch out some distance from this plonker so there would be no more problems. So I accelerated and then slowed down. This is when the Police caught up with me.

For some reason I have the impression that there are two sides to this story.

There probably are. Whenever people take it upon themselves to brake test cars behind them, swerve across both lanes to prevent undertaking and generally try their hardest to annoy the driver behind they are probably doing it to prove some irrelevant point of view. The truth is they are driving dangerously while trying to prove their point.

It seems the evidence from the police doesnt mention any of this so I suspect they didn't see it. They just saw me put an end to it by undertaking on the inside.

If you slam into the back of another car on a dual carriageway I'd suspect this would be deemed to be the fault of the driver behind. It is this stupidity which allows these people to start brake testing drivers with impunity. I did find myself considering what would happen if i did hit this car from behind but as he had a big dual cab pickup thing and i had a low sports car i thought it's an outcome i dont particular won't to explore.

Now once in front of him i could have started brake testing him. But thats how these things escalate. I chose flight instead of fight.

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vonhosen said:

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Breadvan72 said:

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No

I had experienced some agro with the driver of this car earlier. He had brake tested me. I was keeping my distance. As I saw a clear area in lane 1 and he didn't move over I did and went past. This was at maybe executed at 70 - 80 as we had only just left a round about with lights in red and he was not traveling fast. I was then in some clear road and wanted to stretch out some distance from this plonker so there would be no more problems. So I accelerated and then slowed down. This is when the Police caught up with me.

For some reason I have the impression that there are two sides to this story.

There probably are. Whenever people take it upon themselves to brake test cars behind them, swerve across both lanes to prevent undertaking and generally try their hardest to annoy the driver behind they are probably doing it to prove some irrelevant point of view. The truth is they are driving dangerously while trying to prove their point.

Following too closely & undertaking are two activities that are likely to bring you into conflict with other drivers.
Surely the position of strength is where you are doing 'what you should be doing' if you seek to complain to about another's driving, not complaining about other people's driving where your own choices go against what you 'should be doing'.

You are also safer with a poor driver in front of you than behind you.

I had a feeling this guy wanted to stop for a chat. I didn't have anything to say so i wanted to just get on with my journey.