Is the M1 South Yorkshire now 60mph limit ?
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Hi all,
The new smart motorway in south Yorkshire is finally finished and I drive this section a lot.
I have noticed over my last 6 or so trips that all the gantries are showing 60mph from at least j28 to j35a.
This is usually mid afternoon 2ish light traffic and goes on for 30 miles or so. When you get through them all after 30 miles of most people doing 60 for no reason there is no traffic jams crashes etc.
Now last year highways agency was wanting to put the limit to 50mph for environmental reasons past Sheffield but it didn't go down well.
Have they actually managed to drop it to 60 without anyone noticing, or is it just me.
Just wondered if anyone else had noticed ?.
The new smart motorway in south Yorkshire is finally finished and I drive this section a lot.
I have noticed over my last 6 or so trips that all the gantries are showing 60mph from at least j28 to j35a.
This is usually mid afternoon 2ish light traffic and goes on for 30 miles or so. When you get through them all after 30 miles of most people doing 60 for no reason there is no traffic jams crashes etc.
Now last year highways agency was wanting to put the limit to 50mph for environmental reasons past Sheffield but it didn't go down well.
Have they actually managed to drop it to 60 without anyone noticing, or is it just me.
Just wondered if anyone else had noticed ?.
cmaguire said:
Until such time as they have average speed cameras I'll continue to ignore all the artificially reduced limits on arterial routes and just slow for the gantry cameras. When the average speed cameras arrive, which they will, I'll then avoid the road if possible.
I'm so sick of this nonsense.
I'm the same I know where all the cameras are now so just slow for them but you do get 4 lanes of 60 mph cars creeping past each other.I'm so sick of this nonsense.
Other times I'm in the truck so it's not too bad can't even get to 60
eldar said:
That's a interesting article although I think that could be what they are doing, although it says during rush hour, then states it would be 7am till 7pm 7 days a week, that's one hell of a rush hour. Mandown46 said:
The signals will be set automatically at rush hour, weekdays both morning and evening, so although most of the time they will work as normal, for those key times that entire section will be showing mandatory 60's at a maximum.
We got briefed not to really discuss it with anyone who enquires, and to direct people with questions and complaints to the HAIL team (poor buggers)
We were asked to definitely not mention its all to do with air quality in those sections.
Its absolutely infuriating. Given the amount of work a lot of us are doing to try and increase the accuracy and trust in those signals, to see this undermining everything we have done hurts a lot.
The chap setting it up it did mention that the limits are very unlikely to be enforced, but to be honest, I won't be testing that theory out too readily.
It's good to hear that, but the times I've been on it are around 2 o clock low traffic so not rush hour. Although I have just come through them at 11am and no signs on at all.We got briefed not to really discuss it with anyone who enquires, and to direct people with questions and complaints to the HAIL team (poor buggers)
We were asked to definitely not mention its all to do with air quality in those sections.
Its absolutely infuriating. Given the amount of work a lot of us are doing to try and increase the accuracy and trust in those signals, to see this undermining everything we have done hurts a lot.
The chap setting it up it did mention that the limits are very unlikely to be enforced, but to be honest, I won't be testing that theory out too readily.
Don't suppose that chap setting it up mentioned what the trigger limit is for the hadecs are when no limit is shown haha.
Trax said:
This just stinks a bit, well a lot. The article linked to above mentions 60mph limits to reduce emisions, and looks like its from Jan this year, and your post confirms it that its being implemented.
They tried to lobby for it a few years ago, and got knocked back, as their argument was to reduce emissions, mainly produced by lorries, which, well, don't do 60mph.
Looks like they have done it by the back door, surely someone in the press can look into this??
I'd not read that article till today and yes it looks like its being implemented already. They tried to lobby for it a few years ago, and got knocked back, as their argument was to reduce emissions, mainly produced by lorries, which, well, don't do 60mph.
Looks like they have done it by the back door, surely someone in the press can look into this??
Most drivers will think it's to keep flowing or a accident further up the motorway but that's not the case.
It's certainly a sneaky way of doing things.
chopper602 said:
turbojay555 said:
Don't suppose that chap setting it up mentioned what the trigger limit is for the hadecs are when no limit is shown haha.
It won't be the same bloke! The Police will set the trigger for the HADECS, not the software / data contractor. HE are also paying for additional support to make sure that the signals turn off correctly at the end of the timetabled period . . . 
king outrageous IMO
mikeiow said:
Now I am wondering whether my offence (which fell before the new guidelines - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39686894) will be the £100 plus 3 points or whether they will look to throw the book at me, evil recidivist that I clearly am.
Nothing's changed unless it goes to court so will still be 3 points and £100. GreatGranny said:
I drive Jn 31 to Jn 34 every day and TBH the 60 mph limit makes no difference to my journey time mainly because of the additional lane and improvement to the junctions.
In fact it's improved since the managed motorway has been introduced.
There are only 2 lots of cameras on this stretch so you can go over 60 with no problems and if the traffic allows.
Can't really believe the hysteria on this thread.
It could be a problem for you because there's 3 cameras northbound between 31 and 34, surely if you drive this route everyday you should have noticed. But I've not seen any flashing away yet. In fact it's improved since the managed motorway has been introduced.
There are only 2 lots of cameras on this stretch so you can go over 60 with no problems and if the traffic allows.
Can't really believe the hysteria on this thread.
Tubes63 said:
Re: the OP...
Is this the stretch just north and south of Sheffield you are referring to? I drive this southbound almost every week (going between Halifax and Kettering, my life of luxury). At first te constant 60mph limit for about ten miles enraged me no end, but I did start to notice that toward the end of the 60mph limit (going south) is a junction that seems to reliably spill traffic out into the first lane of the motorway. I think it's junction 28 with the A38. The NSL is almost always reinstated not far beyond that junction. My suspicion now is that the 60mph limit is to regulate the traffic hitting that junction at any one time. And if that's the case then there is some sense to it because when the first lane is clogged with people trying to get off the motorway it causes tailbacks for a long way leading up to that junction. What they should really do is sort out the junction itself, but then more roadworks
Totally get what a pita the 60mph limit is, especially when the road looks completely clear!
Yes that's the section, 35a to 28. Recently exiting at j28 does seem to be a bit sticky but I don't think they need to start slowing you down 30 miles before the junction. Is this the stretch just north and south of Sheffield you are referring to? I drive this southbound almost every week (going between Halifax and Kettering, my life of luxury). At first te constant 60mph limit for about ten miles enraged me no end, but I did start to notice that toward the end of the 60mph limit (going south) is a junction that seems to reliably spill traffic out into the first lane of the motorway. I think it's junction 28 with the A38. The NSL is almost always reinstated not far beyond that junction. My suspicion now is that the 60mph limit is to regulate the traffic hitting that junction at any one time. And if that's the case then there is some sense to it because when the first lane is clogged with people trying to get off the motorway it causes tailbacks for a long way leading up to that junction. What they should really do is sort out the junction itself, but then more roadworks
Totally get what a pita the 60mph limit is, especially when the road looks completely clear!
And also it's northbound as well for 30 miles. I do thousands of miles a year on motorways and the overhead gantries usually start to warn you a couple of miles before any problems.
ToothbrushMan said:
and i imagine thousands of drivers who have been trapped in that 30 miles of "60" zone to open the taps up as soon as the cones finish......so then youve got scores of people doing 90 plus.
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