Totting up ban coming !!

[Phil Dicky]

Having had a shocking few months for being caught speeding I have a court appointment for a ban.....all my convictions are SP30's and all will be 6 months old or less. Im just wondering if anyone has been through this process and what length ban they got. Online suggest 6 months but can be reduced in certain circumstances. I have a parent with Alzeimers so my licence is quite important in that respect. Yes I know should be more careful, but ive cocked up looking at a ban so any advice?

[Phil Dicky]

All im after is cases of PH'ers who have been in my situation and what bans they recieved.....not making excuses, not denying anything and fully admitting Ive been a tt....as I explained in my first post. So please just genuine advice.
Not really sure if a soicitor is the way to go..Im ex Police so used to court and explain mitigation through well enough, dont want to bother solicitors on here just yet, im sure they are busy enough already

Edited by Phil Dicky on Friday 28th April 10:40

Edited by Phil Dicky on Friday 28th April 10:42

[Phil Dicky]

funkyrobot said:

Heaveho said:

funkyrobot said:

Here we go.

One simply cannot question the thought process of someone repeatedly being caught speeding on here.

I think when the same people show up, thread after thread, with the same unhelpful attitude to an op who needs help, not sanctimony, it's not surprising that people take exception.

I'm genuinely interested in the mentality of these people, and their reasons for joining the forum. I also wish they hadn't bothered. It detracts from the reason it exists.

Best of luck, op, I think the advice to speak to agtlaw on here is possibly the best you'll get.

Makes me wonder about the mentality of some people on here myself. Up in arms about the draconian speed limits being introduced, yet feeding the system even more with speeding fines and penalties.

Do people simply not understand that people like the OP are perfect fodder for road 'safety' partnerships? Repeat offender getting caught again for what, the fourth time?

You only have to look at how some organisations use things like this to justify their existence. One near me recently published some figures and used them to explain why a road is so dangerous. Anyone in the know understands it's idiot drivers and other things like dangerous overtakes, lack of attention, tired and drink driving. However, they have leapt on the '40 speeders caught in the first month' information and use this as their headline. The ability to link to speed to danger is soooo easy.

Oh yes, the old 'if we didn't speed they would reduce the limits anyway' argument is a load of tosh. It seems that the current tactic of continually being caught speeding isn't working.

And the reasons why someone like me would join PH include the motor racing aspect, the big barge stuff, plus interesting threads about car tweaking and mechanics.

Do me favour and take your argument elsewhere..Im not interested and just want some info from people who have been in my sitiation. You havent been here and so any other opinion you have I realy couldnt careless about.

[Phil Dicky]

janesmith1950 said:

Think longer term than just this moment in time.

Someone like AGTLaw is really who you should be speaking to- other people might chip in with their past experiences but, ultimately, it's the details specific to your case and the reaction of the court at the time that'll matter. Guidelines, the law and magistrates change. What happened to someone in identical circumstances 3 years ago might not apply now.

AFAIK, and IANAL, if you avoid the 6 month totting ban and the points remain on your licence, due to you using the parents as an exceptional hardship case, you cannot use that same reason if you're caught again within 3 years (sure someone will correct me if wrong).

Considering you've been caught so often, is it better to get it out of the way now, and clear the points back to zero, rather than delaying what sounds like the inevitable and having 2 court cases to pay for? After all, it might be inconvenient to be without a licence for 6 months now, however the timing in future might be even worse.

Sucking for the ban is excatlywhat Im going to do...just wondered if I can mitigate the ban down thats all.

[Phil Dicky]

funkyrobot said:

Phil Dicky said:

funkyrobot said:

Heaveho said:

funkyrobot said:

Here we go.

One simply cannot question the thought process of someone repeatedly being caught speeding on here.

I think when the same people show up, thread after thread, with the same unhelpful attitude to an op who needs help, not sanctimony, it's not surprising that people take exception.

I'm genuinely interested in the mentality of these people, and their reasons for joining the forum. I also wish they hadn't bothered. It detracts from the reason it exists.

Best of luck, op, I think the advice to speak to agtlaw on here is possibly the best you'll get.

Makes me wonder about the mentality of some people on here myself. Up in arms about the draconian speed limits being introduced, yet feeding the system even more with speeding fines and penalties.

Do people simply not understand that people like the OP are perfect fodder for road 'safety' partnerships? Repeat offender getting caught again for what, the fourth time?

You only have to look at how some organisations use things like this to justify their existence. One near me recently published some figures and used them to explain why a road is so dangerous. Anyone in the know understands it's idiot drivers and other things like dangerous overtakes, lack of attention, tired and drink driving. However, they have leapt on the '40 speeders caught in the first month' information and use this as their headline. The ability to link to speed to danger is soooo easy.

Oh yes, the old 'if we didn't speed they would reduce the limits anyway' argument is a load of tosh. It seems that the current tactic of continually being caught speeding isn't working.

And the reasons why someone like me would join PH include the motor racing aspect, the big barge stuff, plus interesting threads about car tweaking and mechanics.

Do me favour and take your argument elsewhere..Im not interested and just want some info from people who have been in my sitiation. You havent been here and so any other opinion you have I realy couldnt careless about.

Fine.

Maybe one day you'll learn from your actions.

Couldn't resist could you.

[Phil Dicky]

funkyrobot said:

Phil Dicky said:

funkyrobot said:

Phil Dicky said:

funkyrobot said:

Heaveho said:

funkyrobot said:

Here we go.

One simply cannot question the thought process of someone repeatedly being caught speeding on here.

I think when the same people show up, thread after thread, with the same unhelpful attitude to an op who needs help, not sanctimony, it's not surprising that people take exception.

I'm genuinely interested in the mentality of these people, and their reasons for joining the forum. I also wish they hadn't bothered. It detracts from the reason it exists.

Best of luck, op, I think the advice to speak to agtlaw on here is possibly the best you'll get.

Makes me wonder about the mentality of some people on here myself. Up in arms about the draconian speed limits being introduced, yet feeding the system even more with speeding fines and penalties.

Do people simply not understand that people like the OP are perfect fodder for road 'safety' partnerships? Repeat offender getting caught again for what, the fourth time?

You only have to look at how some organisations use things like this to justify their existence. One near me recently published some figures and used them to explain why a road is so dangerous. Anyone in the know understands it's idiot drivers and other things like dangerous overtakes, lack of attention, tired and drink driving. However, they have leapt on the '40 speeders caught in the first month' information and use this as their headline. The ability to link to speed to danger is soooo easy.

Oh yes, the old 'if we didn't speed they would reduce the limits anyway' argument is a load of tosh. It seems that the current tactic of continually being caught speeding isn't working.

And the reasons why someone like me would join PH include the motor racing aspect, the big barge stuff, plus interesting threads about car tweaking and mechanics.

Do me favour and take your argument elsewhere..Im not interested and just want some info from people who have been in my sitiation. You havent been here and so any other opinion you have I realy couldnt careless about.

Fine.

Maybe one day you'll learn from your actions.

Couldn't resist could you.

You couldn't either. That is why you are in this predicament.

When someone is polite and asks your to take your argument elsewhere, do the gentlemanly thing and do as they ask...please.

[Phil Dicky]

7795 said:

Phil Dicky said:

All im after is cases of PH'ers who have been in my situation and what bans they recieved.....not making excuses, not denying anything and fully admitting Ive been a tt....as I explained in my first post. So please just genuine advice.
Not really sure if a soicitor is the way to go..Im ex Police so used to court and explain mitigation through well enough, dont want to bother solicitors on here just yet, im sure they are busy enough already

Edited by Phil Dicky on Friday 28th April 10:40

Edited by Phil Dicky on Friday 28th April 10:42

9 points here and was due to get another 3 (sp30).

My mitigating circumstance to avoid 3 points and thus a ban was that my Mother, now deceased, lived 3 hours away and was gravely ill. I visited 3 days a week after work and simply needed my licence as without it, the journey would not be possible.She passed away 3 months after my court date so i was eternally grateful to the Magistrates and wrote them a "Thank you" letter accordingly.

I was given no points, slowed down and had a 14 day ban and a big fine.

Make sure your case is honest and truthful. I saw them dismiss 10+ people in front of me as the "had to drive to see girlfriend" or "loves to drive" is a "new driver and inexperienced"...

Points free for 10 years now!!

You see, this is the advice and information I was after genuine cases similar to mine. My concern is my fathers condition that is worsening by the day and the effect me not having a licence will have on my brother and step mum who will have to shoulder more burden. To the other posters who have added advice, thanks its much appreciated. I have messaged AGTlaw and received some useful info back. As for you know who, its nice to know everyone else thought the same as me

[Phil Dicky]

I thought it odd....loads of posts missing but nothing really offensive, just the usually comments made about....well we all know

[Phil Dicky]

Sa Calobra said:

I want to make this quite clear. The OP needs to visit SpecSavers. If he/she can't spot yellow painted speed cameras in a period of time then he/she can't see developing hazards.

I'm disappointed in the modding on this topic. 'speed matters'. Yes but competency in being able to drive at speed matters more. The ability.

Why did you delete my post?

I will reply again..I've accepted my failings much earlier in the thread, but thank you yet again for pointing them out

[Phil Dicky]

On a plus side I'm using the pending demise of my licence to get a new bike....every cloud

[Phil Dicky]

SS2. said:

Phil Dicky said:

I thought it odd....loads of posts missing but nothing really offensive, just the usually comments made about....well we all know

Plus one where I endorsed your decision to contact AGT (a good move, IMO) and wished you well with the outcome.

Hey ho..

Cheers

[Phil Dicky]

Sa Calobra said:

I don't condemn the act/person caught but post- act attitude. It's always someone else's fault. It's profiteering for goodness sake just accept it. Don't the 'scamerar folk accept that multiple times caught needs addressing not the system?

One SP30 I can understand. Not multiple ones.

You seem to be struggling with my post admitting its all my fault?

[Phil Dicky]

Sa Calobra said:

It's not you, it's the moderation and the pro speeders that are the issue now.

no worries

[Phil Dicky]

Monkeylegend said:

Phil Dicky said:

.Im ex Police so used to court and explain mitigation through well enough.

Edited by Phil Dicky on Friday 28th April 10:40

Edited by Phil Dicky on Friday 28th April 10:42

I would be surprised if OP didn't have good observational skills.

Normally very good, but two vans on two occasion well hidden on roads I didn't know at all, and a pull from plain traffic car on a section of road moving from a 50 to a 30 where I didn't kill my speed enough. A common pull for them which was why they were there. Last occasion me just being a slack tt

[Phil Dicky]

Ilovejapcrap said:

I feel your pain OP

I've just been done at 83 in a 60,

I did not know what they had me at but was expecting far worse and maybe ban.

I spent two weeks thinking did it seem me at that point st I may loose license. The thought of it affecting my work mortgauge etc really scared me. I've altered my whole driving method now and cruise control is my friend.

Anyway.

I'm assuming you had 3 separate lots of 3 point fines and this will be your 4th lot ?

If so how olds the oldest one.

Oldest ones are 15 months old...what did you get?

[Phil Dicky]

TheAngryDog said:

funkyrobot said:

Oh well, at least I will be able to act smug behind the wheel of my car whilst the OP is catching the bus.

Edited by funkyrobot on Monday 1st May 18:19

Christ you really are a snide tt aren't you.

OP, any news? If not then all the best.

Well been in court today and received a 14 day ban and fine. Also kept 9 points on my licence so the onus is on me to learn.
All in all the court were very fair and I never argued I needed my licence for work or personal hardship. Just the long term issues with my father.
So only 14 smug days for funkyrobot.....might book a holiday

[Phil Dicky]

Dromedary66 said:

Phil Dicky said:

Well been in court today and received a 14 day ban and fine. Also kept 9 points on my licence so the onus is on me to learn.
All in all the court were very fair and I never argued I needed my licence for work or personal hardship. Just the long term issues with my father.
So only 14 smug days for funkyrobot.....might book a holiday

What's the hike been on your insurance premiums?

Looking like doubling..which is fair enough.

[Phil Dicky]

PorkInsider said:

Phil Dicky said:

Dromedary66 said:

Phil Dicky said:

Well been in court today and received a 14 day ban and fine. Also kept 9 points on my licence so the onus is on me to learn.
All in all the court were very fair and I never argued I needed my licence for work or personal hardship. Just the long term issues with my father.
So only 14 smug days for funkyrobot.....might book a holiday

What's the hike been on your insurance premiums?

Looking like doubling..which is fair enough.

Could have been worse, then.

Good luck for the next year or so avoiding any more tickets.

Your user name cracks me up every time I see it