Private parking signs

[PurpleMoonlight]

As some of you know I have an issue with people stealing my parking spaces.

I have been badgering the managing agents for the site to do something about it. This is their response.

20170824_062846 by Don Beech, on Flickr

It's not live yet and I haven't been provided with any permits yet, but there is currently no ANPR or CCTV cameras and I doubt there will be. I am guessing I will be required to take a picture of the offending vehicle and email it to the PPC.

[PurpleMoonlight]

I'm not moaning. I'm delighted.

[PurpleMoonlight]

I should receive nine as that's the number of spaces allocated to my unit.

[PurpleMoonlight]

S11Steve said:

VCS...? Good luck with them.

But do send Mr Renshaw Smith my best regards

Do they persuade people to not park where not permitted?

[PurpleMoonlight]

I haven't made the choice, the managing agents did.

If it's the tenants that have to take pics and email, then the PPC has no ongoing costs for the site so even if infringements dwindle it's still likely worth their while being engaged.

I think the cost of the signs may have come out of the tenants service charges, or at least part of it.

[PurpleMoonlight]

S11Steve said:

You probably already know the reasons for me suggesting these points....

To be honest no I don't.

What's self ticketing?

[PurpleMoonlight]

Ah, okay.

I'll update when I know more how it's going to work.

[PurpleMoonlight]

R0G said:

What about visitors who need to park ?

I am assuming that the business they are visiting will give them a permit to display while on site.

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The Surveyor said:

Thanks Steve, so it's threatening and looks valid, but ultimately it's not enforceable if you know how to structure a proper defence.

Hopefully mine will deter all bar Steves customers who appear to have him indirectly fighting their corner.

[PurpleMoonlight]

REALIST123 said:

You don't know how it's going to work yet you instigated this?! Looks like it's something you may come to regret........

"I have been badgering the managing agents for the site to do something about it. This is their response."

We shall see.

But with no anpr it's going to be tenants doing the reporting or a mobile emforcement. As long as I display my permit I shouldn't incurr any problems.

[PurpleMoonlight]

What is the claimed contravention?

[PurpleMoonlight]

If the RK notifies the PPC of the driver, does that absolve the RK of any potential charge liability under PoFA 2012?

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S11Steve said:

Regardless of driver, it was parked in an allocated bay for my customer.

The right to park in a space via an alternative means, eg a Lease is an interesting one, in that whether or not it trumps the permit requirement.

It may come down to what the Lease actually says, Mine for example states I have the right to park in the spaces marked in red on a site plan attached to the Lease. So I would say my Lease trumps the parking permit enforced by the PPC.

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pavarotti1980 said:

You dont have to be a dim-witted retard to receive a PCN from private parking company. They target 1000s upon 1000s of people who have parked perfectly fine but for various reasons dont comply with the elaborate rules dreamt up by the parking companies. For example, does parking in your own parking space mean you should receive a ticket?

Of course there will be instances of contention, and double dipping seems to be an issue (opportunity) for some PPC but I would argue that most charges issued are justified in accordance with the terms of the parking contract. Some drivers are incredible selfish when it comes to parking their car.

[PurpleMoonlight]

pavarotti1980 said:

I think you have your figures the wrong way round. Some are justified and most are a means of the PPC making money given that breaching terms and conditions is their only income stream.

Huh?

If drivers didn't breach the terms and conditions they wouldn't get a charge.

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SantaBarbara said:

Sometimes drivers get wrongly presented with a PCN even when they have done nothing wrong

Yes, I don't disagree that.

But I disagree that those are the majority. I feel they are a small minority.

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pavarotti1980 said:

If they were the why do POPLA uphold so many appeals/case thrown out of SCC?

I think one way would be to think of an ethical parking company whose main interest is not to dish out PCNs but charge the landowner to actually manage the car parks.

I think you need to factor in that a huge amount of people will just pay these companies thinking they have some form of authority without question. If there wasnt such a big problem with the practices of the PPCs then there wouldnt be the call for proper legislation and regulation of the industry

Edited by pavarotti1980 on Friday 1st September 12:37

Edited by pavarotti1980 on Friday 1st September 12:38

What percentages of charges issued go to appeal?

If people didn't park like numpties then the PPC's would quickly go out of business. People have the power but refuse to use it.

[PurpleMoonlight]

pavarotti1980 said:

These companies are not angelic, of which you will soon find out being in bed (via MAs) with VCS.

For figures have a look at POPLA website and you will see for yourself

Neither are drivers.

[PurpleMoonlight]

pavarotti1980 said:

I may as well bang my head against a brick wall. PPCs are predatory and maniulative in their practices and you only have to see the variou sposts on here and other forums to realise that they dont care how they make their money, whether it is within the legislative framework of POFA or and consumer rights legislation.

Some drivers or tw4ts but i dont think the millions of PCNs issued reflect that the majority are.

If you think the industry is fine and worthwhile in protecting landowners with their current practice why do they government want to legislate the industry? And was their carmageddon prior to the proliferation of parking companies offering their services?

The majority of drivers aren't, but there are sufficient numbers in existence to warrant the existence of PPC's.

I have personal experience of them. Since the notices went up on my site parking space stealing as declined dramatically.

Edited by PurpleMoonlight on Friday 1st September 13:46

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pavarotti1980 said:

But the signs are a waste of space and not able to contract a driver and leave your MA open to legal action for DPA breaches along with VCS. Although you dont have to worry about this bit unless they make you jointly liable for the MAs actions

What part of the DPA is breached by the erection of a sign?