Is crime out of control in your area?
Discussion
I had my bicycles stolen from my outbuildings in February, at the time the village we live in it was fairly big news, since then we are under siege masked raiders stealing safes, cars being stolen by using force is regular, I had my bike thieves back this week snapping the locks off, but they didn’t get them thanks to a steel door I’ve fabricated, with an internal lock, it’s also alarmed and ground anchors, they got into the kids/mower shed and nicked the boys RC car ffs!
I’ve also found my Wheels have been tampered with a week ago on my new Amarok, so I’ve put an additional set of wheel locks on.
They watch the mums go out to get the kids and they burgle the house, if they find the spare keys they have the car.
I live in what was a lovely village between Birmingham and Coventry, the whole borough is suffering.
Are other parts of the country getting the Wild West treatment?
I’ve also found my Wheels have been tampered with a week ago on my new Amarok, so I’ve put an additional set of wheel locks on.
They watch the mums go out to get the kids and they burgle the house, if they find the spare keys they have the car.
I live in what was a lovely village between Birmingham and Coventry, the whole borough is suffering.
Are other parts of the country getting the Wild West treatment?
rufusgti said:
That's an incredibly grim outlook. Are you ok?
He could be right, the rate of acceleration of crime, is astounding in our area, it seems to be everyman for himself, our friends have been done twice in 3 months, they took the car first time a new Merc, the car got found the guy is getting done for receiving stolen goods, but he has not given up who he got it from, he needs persuading.Our other friends also had a new Merc stolen, they had it around three weeks, they’ve given up on driving a nice car. My next door neighbor went golfing at 5 this morning, I was out of bed out the window the guy Two doors up was too, and my wife’s friend also we all have fried nerves.
Wobbegong said:
Brummmie said:
We’ve had one this week that was high profile because they actually caught the scrotes, I won’t post the link as it’s against the rules, a woman in a Golf R, they smashed the drivers window and dragged her out, they then promptly crashed it!
I hope they were severely injured speedyguy said:
Breadvan72 said:
Cuts to police resources and CJS resources are an important factor. As usual, the systems are expected to operate on a budget of a quid.
This type of thinking worries me, define resources do you mean CASH 
all I see in many areas is a poor use of resources.I think this bloke is probably spot on
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nhs...
Which links to the quote below
janesmith1950 said:
Nobody wants to pay more tax, especially for the perceived prison Playstations, however you have to make a choice between feeling unsafe in your own home versus paying to get the justice system running as it ought to.
Better buy some bars for your downstairs windows and something unnatractive to drive...
There is no unending money tree, everyone has different priorities and mine is not to unnecessarily increase the tax burden on myself and others to facilitate waste and excuses.Better buy some bars for your downstairs windows and something unnatractive to drive...
Our community has a meeting with the local police and council in the Village hall this week, to discuss this extreme acceleration in crime what will come of it i don't know.
I myself am willing to contribute to a neighbourhood patrol type thing, but that takes alot of people to commit to it, but again its been mentioned, perhaps the police can help us help ourselves?
janesmith1950 said:
Increasing resources doesn't have to equal an analogous increase in waste. Notwithstanding there is a point where budgets are trimmed to an extent that, despite improved efficiency, a service no longer has the resources to work effectively.
And there isn't a simple equation that says additional tax take has a linear relationship with what comes out of your wallet. Take car crime; increased vehicles stolen equals higher insurance premiums for all. Accidents caused by those stealing cars mean the NHS is further burdened putting the perpetrators and victims back together again. The Police have to spread themselves thinly investigating a higher frequency of crimes, exacerbating the shortage of resources, damaging their relationship with the public (who perceive the Police as being disinterested) and meaning other crimes do not get the attention they need. Employers lose the productivity of their employees as they deal with the aftermath of these events. Faced with increased insurance premiums, health issues and a deteriorating relationship with your employer you lose consumer confidence, spend less and contribute less to the VAT economy. That money has to be replaced from somewhere.
Ok, so I over egg the pudding to create a clearer illustration, however it hopefully shows that 'saving' money by restricting Police resources might in fact be costing more than it saves, or at least what you might think at first glance.
Never thought of it that deeply, but its a good point, i did have to take the afternoon off work last week to buy more locks and security after our last attack, generated £100 or so for the locksmiths!And there isn't a simple equation that says additional tax take has a linear relationship with what comes out of your wallet. Take car crime; increased vehicles stolen equals higher insurance premiums for all. Accidents caused by those stealing cars mean the NHS is further burdened putting the perpetrators and victims back together again. The Police have to spread themselves thinly investigating a higher frequency of crimes, exacerbating the shortage of resources, damaging their relationship with the public (who perceive the Police as being disinterested) and meaning other crimes do not get the attention they need. Employers lose the productivity of their employees as they deal with the aftermath of these events. Faced with increased insurance premiums, health issues and a deteriorating relationship with your employer you lose consumer confidence, spend less and contribute less to the VAT economy. That money has to be replaced from somewhere.
Ok, so I over egg the pudding to create a clearer illustration, however it hopefully shows that 'saving' money by restricting Police resources might in fact be costing more than it saves, or at least what you might think at first glance.
But 6 weeks ago or so, three doors down a C350 Merc was taken when mum went to get the kids from school, they smashed in the property from the rear, stole all the technology from the house and loaded it in the car.
When the police showed I briefly spoke with one of the officers, he shrugged and said "too much of it about and not enough resources" he didnt seem interested.
The neighbours 8 year old wont go to bed now without a fight, she was first in when the house was turned upside down.
Breadvan72 said:
havoc said:
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Oh, and I really despair of the attitude of some posters here - much of Solihull is middle-class suburbia (some of the surrounding 'villages' are properly affluent!) - if it's a s
thole as some posters suggest (here and on prior threads) then quite frankly so is 3/4 of the UK...
My use of Obi Wan Kenobi's words to describe Solihull as Mos Eisley might have carried a clue that the irony meter might need to be turned on.Oh, and I really despair of the attitude of some posters here - much of Solihull is middle-class suburbia (some of the surrounding 'villages' are properly affluent!) - if it's a s
thole as some posters suggest (here and on prior threads) then quite frankly so is 3/4 of the UK...The next door Neighbours had cctv fitted last week (they haven't been done yet), and his business is booming, he's never known it to be this severe..
From the Express and Star this time comparing 2013 to 2016, and its 2017 that we are now under seige, Warwickshire which is my Border up 189%...
There were 5,930 crimes last year – up 43 per cent from 4,161 in 2013.
The figures have been revealed following a Freedom of Information request to police forces by the RAC.
The region’s Police and Crime Commissioner David Jamieson said the increase in vehicle thefts was worrying – and he has urged West Midlands Police to issue a ‘robust response’.
Mr Jamieson said: “The rise in vehicle thefts is concerning, it shows that crime is rising not falling as the Government insists.
“I have been raising this issue with West Midlands Police to ensure a more robust response and I raised it with the Policing Minister last week too.
“In addition to recruiting officers to tackle crimes, I have called on leading manufacturers to bring in measures to protect their vehicles from theft.
“As well as tough police action, it is important manufacturers take responsibility to ensure their vehicles are much more difficult to steal.
“Manufacturers are failing in their duties to protect their customers.
“The manufacturers should face up to their responsibilities and ensure the expensive vehicles they sell are not as vulnerable to hacking and theft.
“Many of the vehicles have long warranties, manufacturers should ensure vehicles are protected for the life of the vehicles they sell.”
Staffordshire saw the number of vehicle thefts increase from 1,100 in 2013 to 1,180 in 2016, a seven per cent increase.
Meanwhile, West Mercia Police saw the numbers rise by 26 per cent, from 291 to 368. Across the country, responses from 40 forces revealed 85,688 vehicles were stolen last year, up 30 per cent from 65,783 in 2013.
RAC insurance director Mark Godfrey said the rise reverses a general trend of vehicle thefts decreasing since around 2002.
He said: “We fear thieves are now becoming more and more well equipped with technology capable of defeating car manufacturers’ anti-theft systems.
“This is bad news for motorists as it has the effect of causing insurance premiums to rise at a time when they are already being pushed up by a variety of factors, not least the recent change to the discount rate for life-changing personal injury compensation claims and the rises in insurance premium tax.”
Mr Godfrey said a number of motorists are resorting to using anti-theft devices which were popular in the 1980s and early 1990s such as steering wheel locks.
“They are still a very effective visible deterrent,” he added. Police in Warwickshire reported the largest percentage increase in stolen vehicles from 2013 to 2016, up 189 per cent. This was followed by Hampshire (59 per cent), West Yorkshire (57 per cent) and Norfolk (56 per cent).
According to the Office for National Statistics, 71 per cent of all vehicle-theft occurs during the week and the night is popular time, with 43 per cent occurring during this period of the day.
Shockingly, 43 per cent of all vehicle-related theft occur because drives do not adequately lock their doors.
West Midlands Police have issued advice in Wolverhampton in recent weeks in a bid to tackle burglars breaking into homes with the intention of stealing a car. This said: “Offenders are now seeking to steal cars by burgling houses and obtaining the car keys.
“Wolverhampton Police are taking a number of steps to prevent this type of crime, including increased patrols in the affected areas and investigation any information we received from the community.
“You can also help by being vigilant. During the day be on the lookout for any unusual individuals or vehicles in your street, particularly if they appear to be paying attention to a house where a desirable car is parked, whether or not the car is there at the time.
“Similarly, late at night be on the lookout for unusual activity. Owners of high value or desirable cars are advised to take extra precautions.”
Read more at https://www.expressandstar.com/news/crime/2017/09/...
There were 5,930 crimes last year – up 43 per cent from 4,161 in 2013.
The figures have been revealed following a Freedom of Information request to police forces by the RAC.
The region’s Police and Crime Commissioner David Jamieson said the increase in vehicle thefts was worrying – and he has urged West Midlands Police to issue a ‘robust response’.
Mr Jamieson said: “The rise in vehicle thefts is concerning, it shows that crime is rising not falling as the Government insists.
“I have been raising this issue with West Midlands Police to ensure a more robust response and I raised it with the Policing Minister last week too.
“In addition to recruiting officers to tackle crimes, I have called on leading manufacturers to bring in measures to protect their vehicles from theft.
“As well as tough police action, it is important manufacturers take responsibility to ensure their vehicles are much more difficult to steal.
“Manufacturers are failing in their duties to protect their customers.
“The manufacturers should face up to their responsibilities and ensure the expensive vehicles they sell are not as vulnerable to hacking and theft.
“Many of the vehicles have long warranties, manufacturers should ensure vehicles are protected for the life of the vehicles they sell.”
Staffordshire saw the number of vehicle thefts increase from 1,100 in 2013 to 1,180 in 2016, a seven per cent increase.
Meanwhile, West Mercia Police saw the numbers rise by 26 per cent, from 291 to 368. Across the country, responses from 40 forces revealed 85,688 vehicles were stolen last year, up 30 per cent from 65,783 in 2013.
RAC insurance director Mark Godfrey said the rise reverses a general trend of vehicle thefts decreasing since around 2002.
He said: “We fear thieves are now becoming more and more well equipped with technology capable of defeating car manufacturers’ anti-theft systems.
“This is bad news for motorists as it has the effect of causing insurance premiums to rise at a time when they are already being pushed up by a variety of factors, not least the recent change to the discount rate for life-changing personal injury compensation claims and the rises in insurance premium tax.”
Mr Godfrey said a number of motorists are resorting to using anti-theft devices which were popular in the 1980s and early 1990s such as steering wheel locks.
“They are still a very effective visible deterrent,” he added. Police in Warwickshire reported the largest percentage increase in stolen vehicles from 2013 to 2016, up 189 per cent. This was followed by Hampshire (59 per cent), West Yorkshire (57 per cent) and Norfolk (56 per cent).
According to the Office for National Statistics, 71 per cent of all vehicle-theft occurs during the week and the night is popular time, with 43 per cent occurring during this period of the day.
Shockingly, 43 per cent of all vehicle-related theft occur because drives do not adequately lock their doors.
West Midlands Police have issued advice in Wolverhampton in recent weeks in a bid to tackle burglars breaking into homes with the intention of stealing a car. This said: “Offenders are now seeking to steal cars by burgling houses and obtaining the car keys.
“Wolverhampton Police are taking a number of steps to prevent this type of crime, including increased patrols in the affected areas and investigation any information we received from the community.
“You can also help by being vigilant. During the day be on the lookout for any unusual individuals or vehicles in your street, particularly if they appear to be paying attention to a house where a desirable car is parked, whether or not the car is there at the time.
“Similarly, late at night be on the lookout for unusual activity. Owners of high value or desirable cars are advised to take extra precautions.”
Read more at https://www.expressandstar.com/news/crime/2017/09/...
havoc said:
Brummmie said:
According to the Office for National Statistics, 71 per cent of all vehicle-theft occurs during the week and the night is popular time, with 43 per cent occurring during this period of the day.
Hmmm...last time I checked, 5/7 was about 71%. So there's no real pattern to days-of-the-week then, they just like the sound of their own voice.Night - how is that defined? If it's a 10-hr period (e.g. 8pm-6am?!?), then that's close to 43% too...
We had our meeting with the rurals police force last night, there was standing room only as there were so many people, not only from our village but the surrounding other areas, many of them had vehicles taken and being burgled.
He said he had 4 local officers to cover 70 square miles, one of those is permanent at the NEC, although one more is being trained up, when he joined the force 30 years ago they had 26.
To those on here that say there is no problem you have no idea, the frequency and severity is increasing weekly, we have had one week now, since i was burgled last Tuesday although only silly things from my low security shed, but they were after my bikes but my deadlocks and steel door foiled the attack, but they did 14 en block garages in the village also, so we now consider we have had a breather.
But the town next door got it last week instead.
He said he had 4 local officers to cover 70 square miles, one of those is permanent at the NEC, although one more is being trained up, when he joined the force 30 years ago they had 26.
To those on here that say there is no problem you have no idea, the frequency and severity is increasing weekly, we have had one week now, since i was burgled last Tuesday although only silly things from my low security shed, but they were after my bikes but my deadlocks and steel door foiled the attack, but they did 14 en block garages in the village also, so we now consider we have had a breather.
But the town next door got it last week instead.
Edited by Brummmie on Thursday 12th October 09:20
Greendubber said:
Breadvan72 said:
There is indeed a problem, but I would guess that, given the demographic of the Solihull area, many of those who attended the meeting are Tory voters. Perhaps they might now start to consider the consequences of their electoral choices. Short term "I want a low tax bill" selfishness does not pay off in terms of medium to long term self interest. Even if you do not actually care about anyone whom you do not know and like, you can do better selfishness by being unselfish. That means supporting properly funded public services.
100%Edited by Breadvan72 on Thursday 12th October 13:32
I bet most of them claimed to play golf with the Chief Constable.
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