Discussion
Some time ago I asked forum readers if they would be prepared to participate in the disgusting police tactics of Kettling, spying on environmental protestors and spying on the grieving family of a murdered teenager. No police officer or ex police officer who read that post was prepared to stand up and answer.
In the case of spying on environmental protestors, senior police officers sanctioned an undercover operation, using the identities of children who died in infancy, to insert a married police officer into the protest group.
One of these spies formed a close relationship with at least one of the women and fathered a child with her. Later, when the morons who sanctioned the spying operation pulled the spy out (I will not call him a man) leaving the woman with no explanation why he had suddenly disappeared from her life and the life of his child and no emotional or financial support.
Much later, when the women found out about the police operation against them they complained to the MET and National Police Chiefs Council. They received the standard dismissive “will not confirm or deny” reply.
The lack of moral compass shown by the police is astounding.
Despite police efforts to obstruct the women’s search for the truth subsequent legal action dragged it out of the police who admitted to spying on the women but categorically denied sanctioning the adulterous relationship the spy had with at least one of the women.
The police LIED.
Senior police officers did know about the sexual relationships and probably knew about the offspring too. They did sanction them. They treated the women with extreme distain, spying on them, taking advantage of them then abandoning them. The distain and lies continued for years.
Let us not forget the insensitivity of using the identities of dead infants and the pain that would cause their families.
Did the environmental protests these women were alleged to be planning justify the time, expense and degrading actions the police engaged in? The vindictive prosecution later collapsed with more tax payers money wasted.
Will the police institution of legal immunity shroud police misbehaviour in this instance?
Will those senior police officers who sanctioned an adulterous relationship, the betrayal of a wife, the desertion of a woman and child and lying to the victims of police harassment be brought to justice?
Will the liars who perpetrated and engaged in these immoral activities be sacked?
I doubt it
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-45596432
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=94...
In the case of spying on environmental protestors, senior police officers sanctioned an undercover operation, using the identities of children who died in infancy, to insert a married police officer into the protest group.
One of these spies formed a close relationship with at least one of the women and fathered a child with her. Later, when the morons who sanctioned the spying operation pulled the spy out (I will not call him a man) leaving the woman with no explanation why he had suddenly disappeared from her life and the life of his child and no emotional or financial support.
Much later, when the women found out about the police operation against them they complained to the MET and National Police Chiefs Council. They received the standard dismissive “will not confirm or deny” reply.
The lack of moral compass shown by the police is astounding.
Despite police efforts to obstruct the women’s search for the truth subsequent legal action dragged it out of the police who admitted to spying on the women but categorically denied sanctioning the adulterous relationship the spy had with at least one of the women.
The police LIED.
Senior police officers did know about the sexual relationships and probably knew about the offspring too. They did sanction them. They treated the women with extreme distain, spying on them, taking advantage of them then abandoning them. The distain and lies continued for years.
Let us not forget the insensitivity of using the identities of dead infants and the pain that would cause their families.
Did the environmental protests these women were alleged to be planning justify the time, expense and degrading actions the police engaged in? The vindictive prosecution later collapsed with more tax payers money wasted.
Will the police institution of legal immunity shroud police misbehaviour in this instance?
Will those senior police officers who sanctioned an adulterous relationship, the betrayal of a wife, the desertion of a woman and child and lying to the victims of police harassment be brought to justice?
Will the liars who perpetrated and engaged in these immoral activities be sacked?
I doubt it
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-45596432
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=94...
lornemalvo said:
What immunity do the police have? not sure they have any?
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-37308084https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jean_Charle...
Edited by davidball on Friday 21st September 11:10
Lord.Vader said:
Simple, show your frustration by not calling them when / if you ever need them, actually take the same stance with all emergency services, do us all a favour.
The police may or may not have stepped out of line here, OK, but I'm glad they are willing to push the boundaries, who knows what will be next (?) and their interpretation of the rules may allow them to stop another Westminster attack.
How does it impact your life in anyway? is the women your wife or something?
I note you do not put your name to your posts. Why hide? It diminishes the value of your opinions.The police may or may not have stepped out of line here, OK, but I'm glad they are willing to push the boundaries, who knows what will be next (?) and their interpretation of the rules may allow them to stop another Westminster attack.
How does it impact your life in anyway? is the women your wife or something?
lornemalvo said:
What immunity do the police have? not sure they have any?
Just one instance.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jean_Charle...
Lord.Vader said:
Simple, show your frustration by not calling them when / if you ever need them, actually take the same stance with all emergency services, do us all a favour.
The police may or may not have stepped out of line here, OK, but I'm glad they are willing to push the boundaries, who knows what will be next (?) and their interpretation of the rules may allow them to stop another Westminster attack.
How does it impact your life in anyway? is the women your wife or something?
I find it very offensive that you class the police with the fire and ambulance services. The police may or may not have stepped out of line here, OK, but I'm glad they are willing to push the boundaries, who knows what will be next (?) and their interpretation of the rules may allow them to stop another Westminster attack.
How does it impact your life in anyway? is the women your wife or something?
aazer89 said:
davidball said:
I find it very offensive that you class the police with the fire and ambulance services.
How is what he said offensive? He was stating a fact, they are an emergency service. Whether you like them or not (and in my experience the only people who have an issue with the police are those who have been caught out) doesnt take away from the fact that they are an emergency service.
My stance is about justice or rather the lack of it.
To all those who have forgotten that the thread is called "Speed, Plod & the Law" you need to pay more attention.
To the habitual insult hurlers you are only confirming my low opinion of you.
Nothing personal, but if you are a serving police officer I regard you as capable of shooting me in the head if ordered to. Regardless of whether my actions posed a threat to you or anyone else.
I base this assumption on well established research that shows people who are given immunity from the consequences of their actions are more likely to commit heinous acts than those subject to law.
To the habitual insult hurlers you are only confirming my low opinion of you.
Nothing personal, but if you are a serving police officer I regard you as capable of shooting me in the head if ordered to. Regardless of whether my actions posed a threat to you or anyone else.
I base this assumption on well established research that shows people who are given immunity from the consequences of their actions are more likely to commit heinous acts than those subject to law.
I forgot.
To the Xenophobes who think that, because I no longer live in the UK I should not have an opinion on the health of the country I love and respect, cheer up you will soon be able to exclude other cultural influences, and be the poorer for it.
The UK deserves police forces that are more accountable . Hopefully the Commission will beget them.
To the Xenophobes who think that, because I no longer live in the UK I should not have an opinion on the health of the country I love and respect, cheer up you will soon be able to exclude other cultural influences, and be the poorer for it.
The UK deserves police forces that are more accountable . Hopefully the Commission will beget them.
Wow!
America knows a thing or two about liars in positions of power. Amidst all the antics of their president and the republican party the liars in the MET have not escaped notice.
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/21/uk/uk-police-sp...
America knows a thing or two about liars in positions of power. Amidst all the antics of their president and the republican party the liars in the MET have not escaped notice.
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/21/uk/uk-police-sp...
deckster said:
davidball said:
To all those who have forgotten that the thread is called "Speed, Plod & the Law" you need to pay more attention.
To the habitual insult hurlers you are only confirming my low opinion of you.
Nothing personal, but if you are a serving police officer I regard you as capable of shooting me in the head if ordered to. Regardless of whether my actions posed a threat to you or anyone else.
I base this assumption on well established research that shows people who are given immunity from the consequences of their actions are more likely to commit heinous acts than those subject to law.
I'm against reporting people, on general principle.To the habitual insult hurlers you are only confirming my low opinion of you.
Nothing personal, but if you are a serving police officer I regard you as capable of shooting me in the head if ordered to. Regardless of whether my actions posed a threat to you or anyone else.
I base this assumption on well established research that shows people who are given immunity from the consequences of their actions are more likely to commit heinous acts than those subject to law.
But I hope you get banned, and soon.
Vaud said:
davidball said:
What exactly do you think you can report me for? Be specific please.
Read the posting rules.1) Do not post material that the PistonHeads Team would find offensive, annoying or upsetting, etc
Vaud said:
davidball said:
I would not love or like to shoot anyone in the head just for expressing their views. Those of you who would need to take a serious look at yourselves. I recommend you seek psychiatric help
I think that someone who is intelligent and pops on to a forum to provoke rather than engage or debate constructively needs help.Digger said:
I never follow links like that. You may be a purveyor of viruses for all I know.Pothole said:
davidball said:
I note you do not put your name to your posts. Why hide? It diminishes the value of your opinions.
Do you think anyone else here values your opinions, named or not? How do we know the name you post under is even close to yours anyway? You could be spy or a LIAR or both.It's "Met", by the way.
I have not read anything yet that will cause me to revise my views on the bare-faced lies told by the police officers who controlled the undercover spying operation.
Thanks for the spelling correction.
Vaud said:
davidball said:
I never follow links like that. You may be a purveyor of viruses for all I know.
It goes to:http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Sense+of+Humour
Does that mean you want to stop people replying to the original post? No-one has responded to that yet. Perhaps they cannot think on any justifications for the catalogue of lies and disgusting behaviour the "Met" has engaged in.
Does anyone else have anything to say about the police behaviour in this case because if you do not you deserve the Met you have got.
Does anyone else have anything to say about the police behaviour in this case because if you do not you deserve the Met you have got.
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