Speeding question

[johnaachen]

If you pull onto a dual carriageway and there no speed limit signs are you expected to believe that the speed limit is 70mph? If there was a speed limit sign after some distance could you be caught speeding in the interim time before the first 50mph sign as you assumed it was 70mph?

Asking for a friend

[johnaachen]

Coming out of Clandon Regis golf club and onto dual carriageway...speed camera van in lay-by about 900m after I joined just after a 50mph sign. I am querying whether I could be caught BEFORE the 50mph sign...
https://goo.gl/maps/hPbKenK7rEA2

[johnaachen]

imdeman87 said:

It's 50mph (even if leaving the Golf Club).

how would you know though until you saw the sign? Is the dual carriageway sign not an indication of the speed limit at the exit of the club?

[johnaachen]

Thanks for all replies. I don’t think that I was going fast and it’s more of a hypothetical question out of interest...say I hadn’t been driving to the golf club? I wouldn’t have been aware of speed limit then? Or if d stayed overnight at the club/hotel whatever then surely you can’t be expected to remember the limit?

My 900m was just a really rough estimation from google maps...

[johnaachen]

Evanivitch said:

johnaachen said:

how would you know though until you saw the sign? Is the dual carriageway sign not an indication of the speed limit at the exit of the club?

No, it's not. It's an indication that 2 directions of traffic are seperated by a dividing feature.

A NSL sign and a central divider would indicate it was a 70 mph dual carriageway.

Would you consider it the responsibility of the highways agencies to provide signage at every private entrance to a carriageway or do you perhaps think that responsibility should sit with the institution?

That might be considered excessive!

[johnaachen]

TooMany2cvs said:

johnaachen said:

I don’t think that I was going fast

If you weren't doing more than 50mph, it's not a problem...

johnaachen said:

and it’s more of a hypothetical question out of interest...say I hadn’t been driving to the golf club? I wouldn’t have been aware of speed limit then? Or if d stayed overnight at the club/hotel whatever then surely you can’t be expected to remember the limit?

How far away would you say is reasonable to expect somebody to be able to read a 450mm diameter speed limit reminder sign? Bearing in mind the legal minimum for reading an 80mm tall, 57mm wide number plate character is 20m?

Let's be a bit on the conservative side, and say 60m - just under 3 seconds at 50mph.

So to be doing a nickable speed by the time you can read that first reminder sign after the gate, you must have accelerated to ~60mph in the 300m from the end of the short slip. It's not Santa Pod, is it?
It’s definitely not in an X reg RAV4!

If you have an issue with it, ask the golf club to install a 50 sign by their gate. There's zero legal requirement on the council to install additional signage there.