Can I go for a recreational drive out?
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I lost the will to live reading the Tier 4 Rules thread. I also toyed with the idea of asking this in the Roads forum...
I live in a Tier 3 area and there are some lovely twisty roads in a Tier 4 area. I want to go for a hoon. Is this illegal?
I do not want to know what is morally right or wrong. I will not stop for fuel in the T4 area, and will carry outdoor clothing & footwear not just for safety but for demonstrating that I intend to stretch my legs in the hills where said roads are. Essential travel? No. Avoiding other people? Damn right!
I await the condemnation of the PH masses....
I live in a Tier 3 area and there are some lovely twisty roads in a Tier 4 area. I want to go for a hoon. Is this illegal?
I do not want to know what is morally right or wrong. I will not stop for fuel in the T4 area, and will carry outdoor clothing & footwear not just for safety but for demonstrating that I intend to stretch my legs in the hills where said roads are. Essential travel? No. Avoiding other people? Damn right!
I await the condemnation of the PH masses....
Well, I certainly didn’t expect the Spanish Inquisition (nobody expects...) but this was going to happen 😁
I went for a drive, didn’t go within 20 feet of another human being and sanitised the fuel pump I used. Forgot the pint of milk too. Lots of other people on the streets, out shopping. You wouldn’t think that there was a lockdown in progress in County Durham or North Yorkshire..
The roads in Teesdale are in fine fettle though. Happy New Year to you all.
I went for a drive, didn’t go within 20 feet of another human being and sanitised the fuel pump I used. Forgot the pint of milk too. Lots of other people on the streets, out shopping. You wouldn’t think that there was a lockdown in progress in County Durham or North Yorkshire..
The roads in Teesdale are in fine fettle though. Happy New Year to you all.
Shrimpvende said:
The comments in this thread make for interesting reading. I wondered in the first lockdown a few times whether to go for a hoon (remember the weather was great in March/April and the roads were completely empty) and will no doubt find myself thinking the same again soon during the inevitable third lockdown.
I really hope I don't come across as an arrogant arse in saying this, but here goes. I no longer care about the 'restrictions' and 'guidance' and all of that stuff going on, I've completely lost faith and trust in the way this is being managed and the slapdash measures being brought in seemingly always at the wrong time. HOWEVER, instead I've been acting on strict personal responsibility, informed by everything I've read and continue to read, both inside and outside of the mainstream media. Therefore, social distancing, mask wearing, hand sanitising, I'm pretty bloody hot on all of it as I don't want to put others at undue risk. I'm working from home even though I'm sick of it as I don't need to be in the office putting others at risk. I didn't go to any of the NYE parties I was invited to as although I don't agree with lockdown(s) on the whole, it's incredibly disrespectful to healthcare professionals to be knowingly mixing in small spaces with numerous people and contributing to the already growing numbers caused by Christmas and everyone else seemingly choosing to party around Christmas/NYE as if Covid didn't exist. Me going to a social gathering doesn't benefit the economy or save any of the jobs this mess has cost so I don't think it's right to do it.
To bring it back to going for a hoon, yeah, you can. Just like you can currently go to your mates house or even go to a houseparty. Just as you can do 100mph on a motorway if you want to. Boris isn't going to turn up on your doorstep and fine you the minute you enter your mates house, just as most of the time you don't get done for speeding. Does than mean you should? Probably not. I chose not to during the first lockdown, because going for a hoon in my weekend toy is inherently more risky than taking my daily down the road to the shops. It's also British and may well break down. I can't imagine what an arse I'd feel if I binned it and took up an ambulance and hospital bed that someone else needed, as I'd only have myself to blame.
Don't get me wrong, I did plenty of pleasure driving and hooning last year, but not when hospitals were starting to really fill up, the roads are getting icy and more dangerous and the emergency services are more stretched than they were even a month or so ago. Once things get better out there, I'll go and make the most of my car again. That might not be when the guidelines technically say I can, but it'll be when hospital capacity is much better in my area (my local hospital is currently struggling with Covid) and it's an all round slightly more responsible thing to do.
I think if the majority of people weighed up their actions around Covid based on responsibility/reasonability and personal attitude to risks and then made appropriate decisions based on that rather than fixation on breaking rules because 'F U government', or trying to find loopholes or 'Covid is a hoax!' then we might be in a slightly better place (only slightly, I don't buy into the government narrative of 'our policies didn't work/we can't control a virus so it's you lot's fault for the high case numbers').
Thank you. This sums up my thoughts in a more eloquent way than I could post.I really hope I don't come across as an arrogant arse in saying this, but here goes. I no longer care about the 'restrictions' and 'guidance' and all of that stuff going on, I've completely lost faith and trust in the way this is being managed and the slapdash measures being brought in seemingly always at the wrong time. HOWEVER, instead I've been acting on strict personal responsibility, informed by everything I've read and continue to read, both inside and outside of the mainstream media. Therefore, social distancing, mask wearing, hand sanitising, I'm pretty bloody hot on all of it as I don't want to put others at undue risk. I'm working from home even though I'm sick of it as I don't need to be in the office putting others at risk. I didn't go to any of the NYE parties I was invited to as although I don't agree with lockdown(s) on the whole, it's incredibly disrespectful to healthcare professionals to be knowingly mixing in small spaces with numerous people and contributing to the already growing numbers caused by Christmas and everyone else seemingly choosing to party around Christmas/NYE as if Covid didn't exist. Me going to a social gathering doesn't benefit the economy or save any of the jobs this mess has cost so I don't think it's right to do it.
To bring it back to going for a hoon, yeah, you can. Just like you can currently go to your mates house or even go to a houseparty. Just as you can do 100mph on a motorway if you want to. Boris isn't going to turn up on your doorstep and fine you the minute you enter your mates house, just as most of the time you don't get done for speeding. Does than mean you should? Probably not. I chose not to during the first lockdown, because going for a hoon in my weekend toy is inherently more risky than taking my daily down the road to the shops. It's also British and may well break down. I can't imagine what an arse I'd feel if I binned it and took up an ambulance and hospital bed that someone else needed, as I'd only have myself to blame.
Don't get me wrong, I did plenty of pleasure driving and hooning last year, but not when hospitals were starting to really fill up, the roads are getting icy and more dangerous and the emergency services are more stretched than they were even a month or so ago. Once things get better out there, I'll go and make the most of my car again. That might not be when the guidelines technically say I can, but it'll be when hospital capacity is much better in my area (my local hospital is currently struggling with Covid) and it's an all round slightly more responsible thing to do.
I think if the majority of people weighed up their actions around Covid based on responsibility/reasonability and personal attitude to risks and then made appropriate decisions based on that rather than fixation on breaking rules because 'F U government', or trying to find loopholes or 'Covid is a hoax!' then we might be in a slightly better place (only slightly, I don't buy into the government narrative of 'our policies didn't work/we can't control a virus so it's you lot's fault for the high case numbers').
Edited by Shrimpvende on Monday 4th January 15:08
I will be doing a lot less hooning about after midnight tomorrow night, however. My day off tomorrow has just been fouled up by the current restrictions, so I might just have a quickie on the way to pick up medicine for the dog from the vet and a few groceries, having used sanitiser, mask etc when I do get out of the car (built in Affalterbach, Germany where they shoehorned 8 cylinders under the bonnet).
survivalist said:
Kent Border Kenny said:
If the legislation matches the promises this time then it could well be that a recreational drive is right out.
Only if you admit that that’s what it is when stopped. You’re still allowed out to go shopping, so just say you’re going shopping, or house hunting, etc etc 
What excuses did you all use back in March/April in Lockdown 1 if you had your collars felt by the Law?
Let's see what the legislation actually says once it has been voted for by the Commons tomorrow.
Bobtherallyfan said:
The law is what you must do; the guidance might be a mixture of what you must do and what you should do. Clearly you should not take a car out for recreation by pretending to go shopping. It’s just immature.
“Should not,” as opposed to “must not.” There’s a difference.Both phrases are used in the new guidance https://www.gov.uk/guidance/national-lockdown-stay...
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