Mandatory anti-tailgate technology after EU ruling
Discussion
Automatic emergency braking (AEB) becomes compulsory by law for all new cars across mainland Europe and Northern Ireland from July 6. AEB automatically slows down or stops a vehicle if its driver fails to respond to the threat of collision. So another step along the road to autonomy.
Is this 'safety measure' good or bad ?
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/new-cars-to-be...
nb Yesterday's article but this has undoubtedly been lurking for some time amongst the range of EU motoring legislation.
Is this 'safety measure' good or bad ?
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/new-cars-to-be...
nb Yesterday's article but this has undoubtedly been lurking for some time amongst the range of EU motoring legislation.
Can't find an existing thread on this topic but there could be
Armchair_Expert said:
The system is downright dangerous and regularly misunderstands parked cars, passing wildlife and angles of approach.
Awful idea.
Mandatory AEB can still be switched off after starting the engine. But default is switched on and most drivers won't interfere.Awful idea.
Seems fun time is coming
Armchair_Expert said:
Not always easy to find though. Mrs Experts Kuga has that f---ing lane change vibration fight the wheel thing, I haver to manually disable it every time and it's deep within a menu.
Because legislators don't want you to turn it off. And on the next generation, you won't be able to
AEB malfunction was subject to litigation in the States. America today, Europe tomorrow?
Lawyers said:
Back in the summer of 2020, a group of vehicle owners filed a federal class action lawsuit right here in the Bay Area. The lawsuit alleged that the automatic emergency braking systems on certain Audi and Volkswagen vehicles had a defect that caused the system to engage randomly, unexpectedly, and at the wrong time. A few weeks later, plaintiffs launched a similar federal class action in New Jersey regarding Subaru vehicles. In the fall of 2019, another federal class action — this one in Tennessee — made similar allegations about the emergency braking technology on certain Nissan vehicles.
There are a handful of ways that you can be hurt because of a faulty automatic braking system.
https://www.dongaline.com/how-automatic-emergency-...
There are a handful of ways that you can be hurt because of a faulty automatic braking system.
https://www.dongaline.com/how-automatic-emergency-...
r3g said:
martinbiz said:
Whoever told you that is talking utter B*ll*cks
Company policy. Don't like it, there's the door. 
Professional drivers have been provided with safety 'enhancements' and are expected to use them. Similar to Health & Safety procedures. I wonder if car insurance policies will work the same way.
No ideas for a name said:
Firstly, the linked article seems to have been written by the same autonomous system that controls AEB. It is refering to anti-tailgating, mixing that up with automatic braking, and also mixing a previous story about collisions due to all lane running. Add to that, Edmund King wittering on about lower grade vehicles...
I rejected a vehicle a few years ago partly due to a dangerous implementation of AEB. Mine often got confused and applied the brakes hard. I could understand its 'error' occasionally, such as stationary traffic in lane 1 with free flowing traffic in lane 2 on a curve for instance.
Final straw was when it applied the brakes hard whilst on a perfectly straight and empty dual carriageway. If there had have been anyone behind it would have caused an accident. It was a full on emergency stop which threw me in to the belts... then once it reached about 30mph, just released the brakes and carried on.
I now have the EXACT same model as was rejected, but two years newer. This one is better but still gets confused.
It is a good idea in theory, but the implementation is, in my view, dangerous.
I rejected a vehicle a few years ago partly due to a dangerous implementation of AEB. Mine often got confused and applied the brakes hard. I could understand its 'error' occasionally, such as stationary traffic in lane 1 with free flowing traffic in lane 2 on a curve for instance.
Final straw was when it applied the brakes hard whilst on a perfectly straight and empty dual carriageway. If there had have been anyone behind it would have caused an accident. It was a full on emergency stop which threw me in to the belts... then once it reached about 30mph, just released the brakes and carried on.
I now have the EXACT same model as was rejected, but two years newer. This one is better but still gets confused.
It is a good idea in theory, but the implementation is, in my view, dangerous.
Bendix Commercial Vehicle Systems said:
Adaptive control with braking (ACB) cruise control systems are used in vehicles for maintaining a safe relative distance between a host vehicle and forward vehicle.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US8510012B2/en
Surely AEB and ACB use the same sensors and processor, with just software code providing distinction? Effectively they are the same system providing parallel functions. Both are capable of applying the vehicle's brakes.https://patents.google.com/patent/US8510012B2/en
Unless commercial vehicle and car anti-tailgating systems are fundamentally different...
vaud said:
Do any truck insurance premiums require the use of the fitted safety systems?
For cars, ADAS has increased cost of insurance premiums in the States 
npr said:
Many new cars sold today can take preemptive action to help prevent crashes — hitting the brakes before a collision, steering around obstacles or alerting drivers to hazards in their blind spots.
Those safety features — collectively known as advanced driver-assistance systems, or ADAS — reduce the risk of crashes. It might seem logical to assume that as a result, they'd reduce the cost of car insurance.
But instead, these advanced safety features can actually drive premiums up. That's because when such cars do get in crashes, the repairs are more expensive — thanks to the suite of sensors and computers that make these features possible.
"At least thus far, the improvements in safety and accident avoidance hasn't been significant enough to overtake the increase in cost to repair vehicles," says Michael Klein, the president of personal insurance at Travelers. The increase in repair costs gets passed on to consumers, he says.
https://www.npr.org/2019/06/15/728256381/why-safer...
Those safety features — collectively known as advanced driver-assistance systems, or ADAS — reduce the risk of crashes. It might seem logical to assume that as a result, they'd reduce the cost of car insurance.
But instead, these advanced safety features can actually drive premiums up. That's because when such cars do get in crashes, the repairs are more expensive — thanks to the suite of sensors and computers that make these features possible.
"At least thus far, the improvements in safety and accident avoidance hasn't been significant enough to overtake the increase in cost to repair vehicles," says Michael Klein, the president of personal insurance at Travelers. The increase in repair costs gets passed on to consumers, he says.
https://www.npr.org/2019/06/15/728256381/why-safer...
pistonheader no-312 said:
You can save children too - unless you drive a Ford - impressive how high you can make someone fly at just 25mph!! 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJgUiZgX5rE
Interesting subject - soporific video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJgUiZgX5rE
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