PSCOs Anyone had a positive interaction with one?
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I am not a massive fan of the blue nobs plastic police, anyone had a decent experience or are mostly cop wana be?
Had a chat with one tonight 50 year old guy in a ford ranger who didn't like me changing lanes on 3 (3 to 1 in one smooth manoeuvre) lane carriageway in the distant empty road from him without a left hand signal seemed to think it was very dangerous, I said look flower in your check drive they don't cover System of car control but in my information phase as no one could benefit and the highway code says move left when possible I moved back to lane 1 when safe, I was alright what offence do you think I committed? He didn't know!
He was moaning about speed as I left the lights fast to the limit but again PSCOs have no blues follow check speed training etc but he really had a cartman vibe. He didn't speed to catch me he caught up with me in traffic.
When I asked to see his designation card he didn't even know what his was so I said maybe you call it a powers booklet to which he said he didn't carry it! I said under the police reform act 2002 I believe you are required to have about your person on duty so you can convey and to a member of public your powers, he seemed lost at this point. I said since your unable to convey I need to get going now so if your not planning to detain me for 30 mins I shall be leaving now but thanks for the advice!
Had a chat with one tonight 50 year old guy in a ford ranger who didn't like me changing lanes on 3 (3 to 1 in one smooth manoeuvre) lane carriageway in the distant empty road from him without a left hand signal seemed to think it was very dangerous, I said look flower in your check drive they don't cover System of car control but in my information phase as no one could benefit and the highway code says move left when possible I moved back to lane 1 when safe, I was alright what offence do you think I committed? He didn't know!
He was moaning about speed as I left the lights fast to the limit but again PSCOs have no blues follow check speed training etc but he really had a cartman vibe. He didn't speed to catch me he caught up with me in traffic.
When I asked to see his designation card he didn't even know what his was so I said maybe you call it a powers booklet to which he said he didn't carry it! I said under the police reform act 2002 I believe you are required to have about your person on duty so you can convey and to a member of public your powers, he seemed lost at this point. I said since your unable to convey I need to get going now so if your not planning to detain me for 30 mins I shall be leaving now but thanks for the advice!
Edited by surveyor_101 on Thursday 16th March 19:25
POLICE COMMUNITY SUPPORT OFFICER not a full copper and traffic warden who likes to deal with anti social teenagers and in my area at least wear blue bits of uniform instead of black.
They have very limited powers but they differ from force to force!
Blair Labour invented them to increase police numbers while paying less, it was basically a numbers thing to artificially increase police they/thems power (as your can't say manpower as that's a bit 1997)
They have very limited powers but they differ from force to force!
Blair Labour invented them to increase police numbers while paying less, it was basically a numbers thing to artificially increase police they/thems power (as your can't say manpower as that's a bit 1997)
Somewhatfoolish said:
Well that learned him
Yeh I am a knob but jesus they must pray on some stupid people! How are they all running about without even knowing their basic powers!Having said that a full bird sergent stopped me years not RPU, he believes not indicating in a left hand only turn lane is driving without due care! I said good luck with that. I nearly went full alan shore on him " I am ready to take you on and everyone your married to, let the games begin"
I am convince avon and somerset basic training is largely paint pride flags by numbers at this point.
Edited by surveyor_101 on Thursday 16th March 19:43
sociopath said:
Did you not mention you were a sovereign citizen?
I'm sure that would have helped
Give me some credit I am ex job!I'm sure that would have helped
That's a yank thing, do your homework we have not constitutional law here, Its In the United Kingdom its freeman of the land and start referring the Magna Carta and Common Law is not the law of the land as 1891!
No see I don't roll like that, I am not I am above the law, I am just if you don't know how to do your job I am not going to do it for you and it helps if you aren't talking feelings.
How to really hack a copper off and see how much time he has on his hands is say this all sounds very serious! Then say I think you should caution me, (They caution you) then they ask questions I did it to one and I replied " you just told me I do not need to say anything, so are you going to arrest me or am I free to leave"!
The look on his face!
Edited by surveyor_101 on Thursday 16th March 20:01
martinbiz said:
Of course you are
Here we go....I bet your a police eggspert I really don't believe in freeman of the land! There are coppers in my local force with serious criminal records so I don't trust any I don't know!https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2023-03-13/po...
I have no convictions and various government clearances!
martinbiz said:
They probably don't always interact in a positive way because they get sick and tired of know it all idiots disrespecting them all the time
If they don't know their powers or carry the correct documents how can they garner respect! It used to be automatic for the police but I have met so many do as I say not as I do coppers that most are full of it.A current sgt he moaned about me speeding and drives at 70 (in 30 from a school our children attend in his personal car and races off showing he how fast his new merc is!
Red9zero said:
My neice is/was a PCSO with A&S. Most of her work seemed to be domestic disputes, speed watch and security tagging push bikes. She obviously liked it though, as she has passed the Police entrance exam and is training to be a "real" copper. Interestingly enough, it is a drop in salary to go from PCSO to trainee.
PCSOs are not supposed to deal with roads policing hence they don't have training, they can issue parking fines. A&S give them what used to be probie work like community policing, so yea domestic, anti social low level stuff out dealing with minor stuff and walking about. Sounds like she is sensible and sticks to what she knows.Not for long salary goes up 25k without PCDA 26.5k with after probation period you get like 29k , is she based at Bridgwater Police Centre?
Edited by surveyor_101 on Thursday 16th March 20:27
Edited by surveyor_101 on Thursday 16th March 20:27
Red9zero said:
She is north Bristol currently. Looking to change to Lydney though.
Nice bristol looks a fun patch! I know the Somerset area ones better at HE I was a bronze incident commander so used to work with them and let them in my depots from time to time to use the site, once had them in the salt barn on a very wet day searching a van under cover the pulled on the M5.
Mikebentley said:
I think thread title should be changed to:
Surveyor -101 Has anyone had a positive interaction with one.
If it’s the same poster I did quite enjoy a thread he started about his transit. Either way he seems to have gone to ground.
My point is PSCOs should stick to what they are tasked and trained to do.Surveyor -101 Has anyone had a positive interaction with one.
If it’s the same poster I did quite enjoy a thread he started about his transit. Either way he seems to have gone to ground.
I haven't gone to ground.
Sorry you lost me on the thread about a transit, never owned a ford transit??
Nibbles_bits said:
Surveyor_101 is a f**king liar!!
He's not and has never been a Police Officer.
Looking back at his post history over the last 10 years (I know, I need a hobby) for someone who claims to have been a "bronze incident commander", he has about as much knowledge and understanding of policing as a Day 1 PCSO.
It would be my guess that he has been subject of several investigations by A&S Police and clearly has an issue with them.
Just in this thread - you can't visually tell whether a Sgt is Acting/Temporary/Substantive.
In nearly 15yrs I have never heard the phrase "Full bird" in relation to Police ranks. It's a US term for a Colonel, because the insignia is "a bird". No UK Police Force has "a bird" in it's rank insignia.
If I'm wrong, and worryingly he was a Police Officer, he was either "asked to leave" or "chose to before being asked"
I use the term full bird sg yes I know its not a police term (Spent time working with the MOD), he said he was a sgt now (not acting) and he was/is male. He's not and has never been a Police Officer.
Looking back at his post history over the last 10 years (I know, I need a hobby) for someone who claims to have been a "bronze incident commander", he has about as much knowledge and understanding of policing as a Day 1 PCSO.
It would be my guess that he has been subject of several investigations by A&S Police and clearly has an issue with them.
Just in this thread - you can't visually tell whether a Sgt is Acting/Temporary/Substantive.
In nearly 15yrs I have never heard the phrase "Full bird" in relation to Police ranks. It's a US term for a Colonel, because the insignia is "a bird". No UK Police Force has "a bird" in it's rank insignia.
If I'm wrong, and worryingly he was a Police Officer, he was either "asked to leave" or "chose to before being asked"
I have not been investigated by they other than they were asked to arrest me for another force which turned out to be false allegations, avon and somerset, only ever received a speeding ticket from them.
Sadly a lot of the times I have dealings with A&S they have failed miserably including the death of my father, however I am aware of 26 officers who are serving now that have convictions in job some for sexual offences.
I have Current SC and Nuclear Clearance which if I had any convictions I wouldn't be able to hold. As I have worked on MOD projects, Highways England and Border Force.
I was a bronze incident commander as I would be called to coordinate mainly traffic management but also emergency repairs for HE to get the network cleared and re-reopened following accidents and vehicle fires, that's what I BC for HE does I didn't coordinate police deployment just did HE resources or subcontractors. I was on the Maintenance and Response Contract so my firm did (under HE branding) did all the cyclitic maintenance in the southwest.
Sounds like you don't know how the Emergency Services and Highways coordinate with HE, POLICE, FIRE, AMBO etc.
Funniest incident we had in my time was over 100 dead chickens from a lorry incident near exeter jct 29!
Edited by surveyor_101 on Sunday 19th March 17:04
Drumroll said:
I must be "on job" as well then. I also had clearances to work on MOD sites and go into Selafield. I also have had to coordinate with the emergency services on highways project. Never been a bronze commander though. (Not through work at least)
But I don't really see why these experiences have any relevance to what has been posted.
Bronze commander is really only the person on the ground who is in a supervisory role. I personally never experienced any use of Bronze, Silver or Gold in any highways project I was involved in.
Did you not read my post?But I don't really see why these experiences have any relevance to what has been posted.
Bronze commander is really only the person on the ground who is in a supervisory role. I personally never experienced any use of Bronze, Silver or Gold in any highways project I was involved in.
In my area the HE/NH use a contractor to manage all Maintenance and Reponses from their depots. So the staff in depots (aside from their office staff & the traffic officers office) all operatives vehicles (excluding gritters) are the contractors branded as HE, they run the service delivery from gritting, maintenance to response to incidents.
When the bridge over avonmouth was taken down by a lorry a few weeks ago it was the same people who deployed to sort it. They even have ford rangers that are marked up similar to HETOs.
Blakewater said:
I had a rather annoying encounter with one as I was driving home from work one day when he basically accused me of urinating on the gates of the school near where I live.
There's a school on the housing estate where I live that has two raised zebra crossings by chicanes outside it. I passed a guy who was getting into a grey Passat at the roadside and then stopped at the chicanes to give way to a van coming the other way.
As I was waiting, the PCSO was talking to someone in a Corsa at the roadside. As I set off, the Corsa driver drove away and the PCSO put his hand up to stop me. He said the other driver had told him she'd seen someone get out of a dark coloured car and urinate against the fence outside the school. I assumed at first he was asking me if I'd seen the same thing. I said I'd seen someone getting into a grey Passat near the school but I hadn't seen him urinating.
The PCSO then started asking me why I'd stopped and saying I had no reason to. I explained I'd stopped at the chicanes for the van going the other way, but he just kept talking over me insisting I had no reason to stop. When he'd obviously deliberately succeeded in getting me a bit wound up, he insinuated that my agitation was a sign of guilt. He then ignored me as I pointed out the guy with the grey Passat driving past us. The road only accesses the housing estate and the school, so most of the cars on it I recognise and I hadn't seen the Passat or its driver before, so possibly the guy was up to no good. Also, the car I was driving was bright blue, not dark.
So my encounter with a PCSO, someone who was supposed to be keeping my neighbourhood a safe place for me to live, was him flexing his ego to make a stupid accusation against me and ignoring someone who possibly was a criminal staking out where I live. He was later promoted to being a proper police officer.
Finally someone on topic thank you! Sadly PH has become a very dark place, the majority of people on here wish to argue, mock, challenge someone's advice/story and it strikes me there is a lot of bullying that goes on.There's a school on the housing estate where I live that has two raised zebra crossings by chicanes outside it. I passed a guy who was getting into a grey Passat at the roadside and then stopped at the chicanes to give way to a van coming the other way.
As I was waiting, the PCSO was talking to someone in a Corsa at the roadside. As I set off, the Corsa driver drove away and the PCSO put his hand up to stop me. He said the other driver had told him she'd seen someone get out of a dark coloured car and urinate against the fence outside the school. I assumed at first he was asking me if I'd seen the same thing. I said I'd seen someone getting into a grey Passat near the school but I hadn't seen him urinating.
The PCSO then started asking me why I'd stopped and saying I had no reason to. I explained I'd stopped at the chicanes for the van going the other way, but he just kept talking over me insisting I had no reason to stop. When he'd obviously deliberately succeeded in getting me a bit wound up, he insinuated that my agitation was a sign of guilt. He then ignored me as I pointed out the guy with the grey Passat driving past us. The road only accesses the housing estate and the school, so most of the cars on it I recognise and I hadn't seen the Passat or its driver before, so possibly the guy was up to no good. Also, the car I was driving was bright blue, not dark.
So my encounter with a PCSO, someone who was supposed to be keeping my neighbourhood a safe place for me to live, was him flexing his ego to make a stupid accusation against me and ignoring someone who possibly was a criminal staking out where I live. He was later promoted to being a proper police officer.
Your story echo's with me and my experience of PCSOs, I think some get in and want to be constable and then try and act like one and then start trying to overstep their remit, which is were it goes south. For walking and engaging in low level crim find, I was lumped with with problem neighbour even though it took 5-6 police officers to arrest the BF when they came like 6 times.
I have had one threaten to arrest me over a neighbour dispute and when I challenged him he said well I will send my neighbourhood beat PC, which after 3 weeks of waiting I called him asked why I still had my liberty, to which he said hadn't been told by the PCSO to follow up my case at all (Case closed words of advice etc), this kind of crap is why then they don't get respect of the public!
This was because I told a neighbour off for parking sideways in my space and a ladies space (I had been on holiday for week) and driving like an idiot around the development. I had asked him nicely to move the car and guy got all what you going to do about it had threaten me, slammed the door and called the police, very strange hardman, his GF was crying in fear of me and tried to say I pointed my figure at the guy, which the PCSO classed as threatening behaviour, he also said I am too big to go knocking on peoples doors (6ft4 built) and I don't let a lot of light in a door way when stood in it! Apparently PSCOs do creative writing as part of their basic training, funny thing was he was a big guy like me lol
Edited by surveyor_101 on Monday 20th March 08:33
ChevronB19 said:
Ditto. Also there is no such thing as ‘nuclear’ clearance.
Again sadly your wrong... There a NNC for staff who work new nuclear power plants.....Its a nuclear regulator agreement that NNB have they carry out a DBS and then their own internal referencing process generally employment references for the last 5 years (database checks) you then attend an induction which includes drugs and alcohol testing with a class on nuclear history and safety, then you take an exam and if you pass you get a badge for 3 years.In terms of bragging, you are allowed to say you have a SC Clearance or NNC.
The SC I don't discuss how who issued it, or what it was for. Its on my CV and get approach for roles that need both a NNC or SC.
I have at no point said what projects they were used for, I know people with DV who say they have it but not what its for again, a lot so called eggsperts on here who don't know what they are talking about.
When you sign the official secrets I was never told don't ever tell a living soul you held a clearance for a role will you! Don't discuss the project or the details that's all!
Indeed I have sent a cv for an MOD role with SC Clearance worked on Project ****** blah blah, it was 80m over 4 projects for DIO etc etc.. Didn't come back and say naughty naughty can't say all that, how can they asses my ability for the role.
Edited by surveyor_101 on Monday 20th March 09:46
Drumroll said:
But again nothing special, as I have already said 10000+ work at Sellafield and an additional 40000 subcontractors.
From your comments I suggest you are talking about Hinkley C. it is a construction site thousands of people work there, it really isn't anything special. The same with working as a contractor on an MOD site. You really are no different from hundred of thousands of people.
The fact that you make it out to be something special is what gets the pith taken out of you.
I was not bragging what I was saying I would not be able to hold such things if I had a criminal history or was being investigated by my local police, these things would be flagged and would make me unsuitable.From your comments I suggest you are talking about Hinkley C. it is a construction site thousands of people work there, it really isn't anything special. The same with working as a contractor on an MOD site. You really are no different from hundred of thousands of people.
The fact that you make it out to be something special is what gets the pith taken out of you.
People have allege if I have a bad attitude to local police I must be a crim! Someone even said I have been investigated by them!
ED209 said:
Every single person in the country has a power of arrest.
Citizens Arrest- Yes and No, not a Wim, has to be for an indicatable offence for start, as I understand it PSCOs are not routinely allowed to arrest instead they are supposed to detain people (30 mins max) if they meet certain criteria and call for a constable to make the arrest.When I did SIA Training it was delivered by a former inspector and his advice CA arrest was a very very risky as opens you up to all sorts of legal ramifications and his advice was to not unless current police officer.
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Again not strictly true, Certainly at Hinkley C there are people who are working there who have a "criminal record" it is not a blanket ban (rehabilitation of offenders act 1974) I know this to be fact because the company I used to work for has a major presence on site.
Taken from the BPSS site: A person may have adverse findings on the DBS check element of the BPSS but if the convictions aren’t relevant to the position being sought then the local managers can take a view on employing them.
An example of this may be someone who was convicted and imprisoned for dangerous driving who is applying for a job as a clerk in a government department. The conviction isn’t directly relevant to the role sought.
There is an age old saying "If you find yourself in a hole stop digging" maybe you could think about that before responding.
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They only accept a clean DBS so it would need to be over 6 years old to get filtered and subject to ROA and been filtered basically.
MOD SC is less flexible, so I am not digging!
Again not strictly true, Certainly at Hinkley C there are people who are working there who have a "criminal record" it is not a blanket ban (rehabilitation of offenders act 1974) I know this to be fact because the company I used to work for has a major presence on site.
Taken from the BPSS site: A person may have adverse findings on the DBS check element of the BPSS but if the convictions aren’t relevant to the position being sought then the local managers can take a view on employing them.
An example of this may be someone who was convicted and imprisoned for dangerous driving who is applying for a job as a clerk in a government department. The conviction isn’t directly relevant to the role sought.
There is an age old saying "If you find yourself in a hole stop digging" maybe you could think about that before responding.
Edited by Drumroll on Monday 20th March 10:45
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They only accept a clean DBS so it would need to be over 6 years old to get filtered and subject to ROA and been filtered basically.
MOD SC is less flexible, so I am not digging!
Edited by surveyor_101 on Monday 20th March 11:35
Byker28i said:
BPSS, CTC, SC, DV - thats it.
As for discussing roles - you don't. When applying for roles you'll see it says must be prepared to pass (insert security clearance) then you discuss at interview.
What you do or boast about, isn't good practice, and is generally discouraged.
https://www.ctp.org.uk/disclosing-security-clearan...
So again NNB carrying out their own DBS check isn't a security clearance, it's £25 to make sure you're basically a decent person, not been in serious trouble. Nor is passing a test...you're now talking about the CSCS card - the constructors competence card which everyone needs to be on a construction site!
Requirements for Hinkley
http://www.a2opeople.co.uk/blogitem/the-hinkley-po...
https://www.morson.com/blog/2017/09/what-clearance...
No I didn't mention CSCS, that's a health and safety test, they do require a current pass in appropriate category to your job, thats before you take the induction exam.As for discussing roles - you don't. When applying for roles you'll see it says must be prepared to pass (insert security clearance) then you discuss at interview.
What you do or boast about, isn't good practice, and is generally discouraged.
https://www.ctp.org.uk/disclosing-security-clearan...
So again NNB carrying out their own DBS check isn't a security clearance, it's £25 to make sure you're basically a decent person, not been in serious trouble. Nor is passing a test...you're now talking about the CSCS card - the constructors competence card which everyone needs to be on a construction site!
Requirements for Hinkley
http://www.a2opeople.co.uk/blogitem/the-hinkley-po...
https://www.morson.com/blog/2017/09/what-clearance...
Hinkley and Sizewell, they don't put out all the data its a hybrid of BPSS/SC.
That's an aside from their on induction exam you can also be asked have a CCNSG as well for some roles if you were site based and I was for a time.
the CTP site you have listed relates to EX SERVICE PERSONEL not civilian contractors but they may well be the principles that follow forward.
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