why Caterham is blocking?
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Hello ,
(I use a translator, sorry ) The sale of Caterhams in France (and I think throughout the European Union) has been blocked for more than 6 months, because according to my mechanic, the engine must be approved, which must be less polluting. The English are less strict on it. So I've been waiting for 8 months since I placed my order :-( And it would be the same reason for the ban on normal road traffic (but ok if on a private circuit) of the Caterham 620 turbo ... They have been banned since years.
I don't understand why 90% of car models sold are now turbocharged, even bi-turbo! , and also electric hybrids, while the Caterham turbo is bad and failed. A turbo is added almost every time, because it reduces pollution, because it lowers consumption, and it reduces the tax category therefore the tax to be paid to the state, ..... AND in addition to all these many advantages, it greatly increases the weight / power ratio. Today many cars of "Mr Everyone" do the 0 to 100km / h "in 7 seconds", and the electric motor adds that power. Caterham seems to stay in the prehistory now and does not exploit at all what all the others do, the turbo. AND especially for a brand that has the (very good) obsession with the weight/power ratio!
Does anyone have any information on all these Caterham problems. With many thanks
(I use a translator, sorry ) The sale of Caterhams in France (and I think throughout the European Union) has been blocked for more than 6 months, because according to my mechanic, the engine must be approved, which must be less polluting. The English are less strict on it. So I've been waiting for 8 months since I placed my order :-( And it would be the same reason for the ban on normal road traffic (but ok if on a private circuit) of the Caterham 620 turbo ... They have been banned since years.
I don't understand why 90% of car models sold are now turbocharged, even bi-turbo! , and also electric hybrids, while the Caterham turbo is bad and failed. A turbo is added almost every time, because it reduces pollution, because it lowers consumption, and it reduces the tax category therefore the tax to be paid to the state, ..... AND in addition to all these many advantages, it greatly increases the weight / power ratio. Today many cars of "Mr Everyone" do the 0 to 100km / h "in 7 seconds", and the electric motor adds that power. Caterham seems to stay in the prehistory now and does not exploit at all what all the others do, the turbo. AND especially for a brand that has the (very good) obsession with the weight/power ratio!
Does anyone have any information on all these Caterham problems. With many thanks
hello Equus,
I had read a test of the 620 turbo, which said that the power was only available at the top of the engine revolutions, and appeared "brutally" and with a little delay... For me it corresponded to a real turbo taken from the exhaust gases, and not the old and outdated technology of the compressor, which takes its energy from the crankshaft from the first revolutions of the engine.... But you're right, it's a compressor and not a turbo (as I thought from the tests read).
"All" thermal cars are currently turbocharged, to pass euro6 pollution tests,... And Caterham fails with its 620 turbo, and also fails in the power-to-weight ratio which is its "obsession", because all cars are gaining enormously in power currently, unlike Caterham .
Failure in pollution, failure in weight/power currently, failure in CO2 rejection taxes: There is a penalty in France of €15,000 for the 485! due to this "prehistoric engine without turbo, or with the 620 not developed
We have to pay 15,000 € more, in taxes for this old 485 polluting engine, and the other Caterham, the 620 is even more polluting and completely prohibited on the road :-(((
All that is very difficult to understand from Caterham
I had read a test of the 620 turbo, which said that the power was only available at the top of the engine revolutions, and appeared "brutally" and with a little delay... For me it corresponded to a real turbo taken from the exhaust gases, and not the old and outdated technology of the compressor, which takes its energy from the crankshaft from the first revolutions of the engine.... But you're right, it's a compressor and not a turbo (as I thought from the tests read).
"All" thermal cars are currently turbocharged, to pass euro6 pollution tests,... And Caterham fails with its 620 turbo, and also fails in the power-to-weight ratio which is its "obsession", because all cars are gaining enormously in power currently, unlike Caterham .
Failure in pollution, failure in weight/power currently, failure in CO2 rejection taxes: There is a penalty in France of €15,000 for the 485! due to this "prehistoric engine without turbo, or with the 620 not developed
We have to pay 15,000 € more, in taxes for this old 485 polluting engine, and the other Caterham, the 620 is even more polluting and completely prohibited on the road :-(((
All that is very difficult to understand from Caterham
A french problem ? not sure at all ... it is a problem of all the European Union... and the pollution must be framed, and slowed down. It will surely be an English problem too soon. It's a pity and incomprehensible that a brand entirely focused on power and agility, lightness, still does not have a turbo .
(.... And becomes a car much less amazing for these engine characteristics, with the new turbo engine put on each brand of car," all over the world" , and more and more added to the power of the electric motor)
(.... And becomes a car much less amazing for these engine characteristics, with the new turbo engine put on each brand of car," all over the world" , and more and more added to the power of the electric motor)
it's probably too expensive, finally, for Caterham, a "small" car company, to put a new turbo engine, like 90% of new cars that are currently sold, with thermal engines.
With the obligation in "2035" (for several (=? or all) EU countries, therefore Caterham customers) to prohibit the sale of new cars with combustion engines . Caterham therefore has the obligation to focus only, from now on, on the electric motor
With the obligation in "2035" (for several (=? or all) EU countries, therefore Caterham customers) to prohibit the sale of new cars with combustion engines . Caterham therefore has the obligation to focus only, from now on, on the electric motor
All right .
But advantages and disadvantages... I see:
The blocking of the homologation of the 485 for 8 months
I see the ban on the sale of the 620
I see all the cars which increase their performance a lot in 10 to 15 years while Caterham is frozen when it is an essential parameter of his mind
But advantages and disadvantages... I see:
The blocking of the homologation of the 485 for 8 months
I see the ban on the sale of the 620
I see all the cars which increase their performance a lot in 10 to 15 years while Caterham is frozen when it is an essential parameter of his mind
Ah damn ! , Caterham is having difficulty validating the 485 engine, and also difficulties after covid and Ukraine, price inflation, and manufacturing delays, and low inventory.
So this means that when they receive the agreement on the low pollution 2 liters Duratec engine, there will be a long time to wait before receiving this car, maybe in 2024?!
:-( (
So this means that when they receive the agreement on the low pollution 2 liters Duratec engine, there will be a long time to wait before receiving this car, maybe in 2024?!
:-( (
there is a "sport" button which acts on the exhaust (the noise changes), and increases about 30 horsepower, to have 237 (240?) horsepower.
I don't have a date on my order for September 2022, and the Caterham garage in France, this month of March 2023, still doesn't know when the 485 car will be accepted again on the EU market.
I don't have a date on my order for September 2022, and the Caterham garage in France, this month of March 2023, still doesn't know when the 485 car will be accepted again on the EU market.
Nunuk: the button marked "sport" on the dashboard, increases the power by about 30 horses.
The discussion was on: Why Caterham does not use the turbo/twin turbo, (since all the cars have it now), to allow to pass the pollution tests ? And also to avoid customers of the Caterham 485 (240hp) paying a pollution tax CO2 of €20,000 on purchase (!!), in the european union
And being blocked for more than 10 months, because the 485 model is refused for sale because it is too polluting now. And that a turbo allows a better performance AND to pollute less AND to pay much less taxes, AND to pass the anti-pollution tests, AND to increase the power / weight ratio which is the fundamental thing of Caterham
I got my answer here , on this forum on this website , with my thanks : Turbos don't respond fast enough to acceleration, Caterham don't like that
The discussion was on: Why Caterham does not use the turbo/twin turbo, (since all the cars have it now), to allow to pass the pollution tests ? And also to avoid customers of the Caterham 485 (240hp) paying a pollution tax CO2 of €20,000 on purchase (!!), in the european union
And being blocked for more than 10 months, because the 485 model is refused for sale because it is too polluting now. And that a turbo allows a better performance AND to pollute less AND to pay much less taxes, AND to pass the anti-pollution tests, AND to increase the power / weight ratio which is the fundamental thing of Caterham
I got my answer here , on this forum on this website , with my thanks : Turbos don't respond fast enough to acceleration, Caterham don't like that
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