Your thoughts on the philosophy of upgrading...
Discussion
I’m wrestling with a decision and looking for some opinions...
I have two bodies at the moment. My ‘big’ camera, a 60D and my travel one, an EOS M3 (which I love).
The problem is, the IQ of the M is slightly better than the 60D, so apart from stuff like AF and burst mode and the screen, there’s very little that makes me take the 60D out with me. It hardly gets used so I’m of a mind to sell it.
The problem is, I’d like to keep a bigger SLR body around, as sometimes the extra features are useful (remote shutter especially).
This makes me think I should trade the 60D in against something a bit newer which also creates a bit of distance between it and the M3.
Options are (given my arbitrary budget of £800ish):
1). Get an 80D. Better for video (my day job), logical upgrade to the 60D and same sensor as M3, albeit with a better processor, so definitely ‘better’. But not by much.
2). Get a 6D mk1. FF so MUCH better for stills (my passion, rather than job), with better dynamic range and bit depth. Against it is the fact that I don’t have much EF glass (my best lenses are EF-S) so would kind of need to start from scratch, and the fact that the 6D is pretty old technology now.
3). Keep my 60D and M3 and buy a really nice EF lens for the same money (realistically, a good L series zoom, despite fitting on the M3, would be unwieldy, so it would probably stay on the 60D and it would be that which makes it my go to for ‘serious’ shooting).
To give you some background, I tend to shoot (in order of frequency):
1). Landscapes
2). Travel/Cities
3). Video
4). Nature
4). People (in the street)
I’d like to do a bit of star photography so that’s a thing too. I don’t really care about super fast AF and millions of points, but do care about DoF, low light performance and dynamic range.
What say ye?
I have two bodies at the moment. My ‘big’ camera, a 60D and my travel one, an EOS M3 (which I love).
The problem is, the IQ of the M is slightly better than the 60D, so apart from stuff like AF and burst mode and the screen, there’s very little that makes me take the 60D out with me. It hardly gets used so I’m of a mind to sell it.
The problem is, I’d like to keep a bigger SLR body around, as sometimes the extra features are useful (remote shutter especially).
This makes me think I should trade the 60D in against something a bit newer which also creates a bit of distance between it and the M3.
Options are (given my arbitrary budget of £800ish):
1). Get an 80D. Better for video (my day job), logical upgrade to the 60D and same sensor as M3, albeit with a better processor, so definitely ‘better’. But not by much.
2). Get a 6D mk1. FF so MUCH better for stills (my passion, rather than job), with better dynamic range and bit depth. Against it is the fact that I don’t have much EF glass (my best lenses are EF-S) so would kind of need to start from scratch, and the fact that the 6D is pretty old technology now.
3). Keep my 60D and M3 and buy a really nice EF lens for the same money (realistically, a good L series zoom, despite fitting on the M3, would be unwieldy, so it would probably stay on the 60D and it would be that which makes it my go to for ‘serious’ shooting).
To give you some background, I tend to shoot (in order of frequency):
1). Landscapes
2). Travel/Cities
3). Video
4). Nature
4). People (in the street)
I’d like to do a bit of star photography so that’s a thing too. I don’t really care about super fast AF and millions of points, but do care about DoF, low light performance and dynamic range.
What say ye?
Simpo Two said:
Disastrous said:
This makes me think I should trade the 60D in against something new, shiny and more expensive...
EFAIf you have to analyse something that thoroughly then you don't really need it
Would I like a D800? Yes. Do I need it? No. Money stays in bank.
Then again:
Would I like a convertible Jaguar? Yes. Do I need it? No. Fukkit, here's my debit card!
I suppose it’s more I feel that the 60D is wasted at the moment as despite being a better camera than the M3, the IQ is definitely inferior. I’ve had a few instances where I would have preferred to use a full size body but have persevered with the M (particularly in challenging lighting) on the basis that I would be annoyed with the result being ‘inferior’ on the 60D.
checkmate91 said:
Mr Simpo hasn't helped with his "man maths" there 
and your dilemma is not dissimilar to mine - 60D/7D great instruments which take suboptimal pics (in some conditions) compared to their 2018 counterparts. Now, there are folks out there who would say that they'd rather a sharp grainy pic than a slow clean one but I think we're both hankering for a sharp clean one 
Agreed also. and your dilemma is not dissimilar to mine - 60D/7D great instruments which take suboptimal pics (in some conditions) compared to their 2018 counterparts. Now, there are folks out there who would say that they'd rather a sharp grainy pic than a slow clean one but I think we're both hankering for a sharp clean one Honestly, if I didn’t have the M3 (which fills a very specific role as a take everywhere camera) I would be fine with the 60D I think.
I just mentally reach for the 60D and then think I’ll just be annoyed with the fact that the wee camera has a better sensor.
Though I have to say, I’m seeing towards a lens after serious mulling over of it.
It’s worth mentioning, I’d assumed the 60D was broadly worthless these days but discovering I would get about £200 for it in a trade has made me consider shifting it before it is.
Simpo Two said:
On a slightly serious note, if low light is a problem, what about fast glass? A camera body is only as good as the lump of glass strapped on the front of it.
NB Note that noise can be partly/wholly overcome by correct exposure/processing.
Yeah, this is true also. NB Note that noise can be partly/wholly overcome by correct exposure/processing.
But do you think you’d bother when you can just use another body where you don’t have to?
It sort of irritates that the 60D has all these high ISO settings that are pretty much useless because they’re so s
t.Tony1963 said:
Used 5D2 witching budget? Or for a "little" more, a used 5D3?
5D2 is doable, but I’m thinking pretty old now, and probably not as good as a 6D?I’ve been mulling it overnight and I think the question is really:
What will make the biggest difference to differentiate my big camera from my wee one so I use it more?
The answer is, I think, a good chunky EF lens for the 60D, keep going with that and then upgrade it to FF as time allows.
Ultimately, I think some decent L glass will make a bigger difference than a newer body.
Hmm, some interesting thoughts here.
I’m still flim-flamming from one thought to another.
Part of me feels like it’s only worth sinking any money into this if I make a proper upgrade to a FF body and some new lenses, otherwise it will just feel like an incremental upgrade that cost me the best part of a grand
Maybe the thing to do is just spring for a 6D2, a nice lens (say EF 24-70) and make that the special camera for when IQ is important.
I’m still flim-flamming from one thought to another.
Part of me feels like it’s only worth sinking any money into this if I make a proper upgrade to a FF body and some new lenses, otherwise it will just feel like an incremental upgrade that cost me the best part of a grand
Maybe the thing to do is just spring for a 6D2, a nice lens (say EF 24-70) and make that the special camera for when IQ is important.
corozin said:
You mention that you have a lot of EF-S glass in your kit. Perhaps instead of going to a new body you should consider upgrading to some L-spec lenses to see how much of an improvement that brings.
Aside from anything else EF-S lenses won't fit a FF camera anyway.
Definitely a consideration.Aside from anything else EF-S lenses won't fit a FF camera anyway.
The downside is the DoF issue mentioned earlier using EF on a crop sensor. I’ve got *some* EF primes but I really fancy the 24-70.
I’d most miss my Tokina 11-16 if I go FF as it’s one of my favourites. That steers me back to an 80D.
And round in circles I go
My logic on the nice bit of EF glass, is that eventually, I will probably buy a FF camera and when I do, I'll have the glass ready to go. In the meantime, it will give me a good 'speedboost' with the body I have I think. It's not as if the 60D takes bad photos, it's just getting on a bit.
That said, interesting what you say about WEX giving an extra £200. Do you mean in addition to what the camera would be actually worth? As in They'd give me approx £200 for the 60D (I guess) plus another £200?? If that's the case, an upgrade becomes nearly irresistible...
As a final thought, I would hugely recommend the M3 onwards. I had an original M and whilst it takes some nice photos, the OS and AF is pretty stty and low light focusing is near impossible.
The M3 was enough of a boost to make all that bearable (as long as you aren't trying to shoot fast moving sports/kids/dogs!) and you can buy an app that connects via wifi for doing time lapses and stuff. Really versatile wee thing and honestly, if they only ever made the 22mm pancake, I'd be happy.
That said, interesting what you say about WEX giving an extra £200. Do you mean in addition to what the camera would be actually worth? As in They'd give me approx £200 for the 60D (I guess) plus another £200?? If that's the case, an upgrade becomes nearly irresistible...
As a final thought, I would hugely recommend the M3 onwards. I had an original M and whilst it takes some nice photos, the OS and AF is pretty s
tty and low light focusing is near impossible.The M3 was enough of a boost to make all that bearable (as long as you aren't trying to shoot fast moving sports/kids/dogs!) and you can buy an app that connects via wifi for doing time lapses and stuff. Really versatile wee thing and honestly, if they only ever made the 22mm pancake, I'd be happy.
ashleyman said:
Disastrous said:
That said, interesting what you say about WEX giving an extra £200. Do you mean in addition to what the camera would be actually worth? As in They'd give me approx £200 for the 60D (I guess) plus another £200?? If that's the case, an upgrade becomes nearly irresistible...
Yes. It's camera part ex value + £200.I traded in a busted 500D towards my 5D IV which would have been rejected but they called me and said they'd valued it at £1 meaning it's trade in value was £201 when buying a new Canon body.
45Flipper said:
Disastrous said:
I just had a look on their site and it seems it only counts against a 5DIV sadly. I'd love one but it's still too far out of budget
What’s your budget? Why not put that down and do the rest on 0% credit for two years. I’ve done that and I’m only paying £65 a month. I could have paid it all off, but if it’s 0%, it’s a no brainier to me to finance some of it. You’d have to ring them or go the the showroom though.To be honest, a 5D is more than I need. We’ve got a few in the office for work and they’re great but I don’t need a squillion AF points (rarely use anything other than the centre one) and all the rest. If I were going FF I think a 6D would be as much as I would ever need.
I had considered going down the finance route to fund a whole new package of 6D plus lens right enough...
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