LSD or not LSD, thats the question?

LSD or not LSD, thats the question?

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Maffe

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479 posts

260 months

Friday 17th November 2017
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Well I have the diff out of my s3c and it´s not an LSD.
Now the question, should I take to opportunity the put in an LSD and in that case where do I find one?

What´s the gathered wisdom of all S-jedi here?

Edited by Maffe on Friday 17th November 13:17

phillpot

17,140 posts

184 months

Friday 17th November 2017
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I have a Granada/Scorpio "viscous" LSD in mine, bought it a few years ago when they were around £100-£120.


At that price I'd say it's a "no brainer" but I think, if you can find one, they are fetching a lot more now!


I'll leave others to comment on cost/benefits of "proper" LSD's smile

Kitchski

6,516 posts

232 months

Friday 17th November 2017
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Depends how you're going to drive it.

I fitted a Sierra Cosworth LSD to my S1, but in truth it's not powerful enough to massively overcome the grip, and in the event it does it then takes a while for the viscous diff to 'wake up'. Would make more difference in a V8, but then they all have them anyway.

As Mike said, values have changed too. I found the Cossie one a few years back for only £150, but then had to rebuild it, and then had to have custom driveshafts made as it's got 108mm flanges, not the 100mm the S needs. But on the flipside, the Cossie one is the correct 3.64 F/D ratio, where as most of the 100mm flange/LSD units are 3.38, which on a V6 might blunt the edge a bit on acceleration.

Apparently a 3.64 ratio 100mm flanged LSD is a real thing, but hard to source.

phillpot

17,140 posts

184 months

Friday 17th November 2017
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Kitchski said:
Apparently a 3.64 ratio 100mm flanged LSD is a real thing, but hard to source.
Pretty sure that's what I have, from a Scorpio Cosworth? But it's too cold today to go crawling underneath to check the "dog tag"!

Certainly don't recall the speedo getting less (or more) accurate after I changed it scratchchin

Kitchski

6,516 posts

232 months

Friday 17th November 2017
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You might well do. I'm told they exist, but I've lost my diff specs table. I know most Granada ones were 3.38.

magpies

5,129 posts

183 months

Friday 17th November 2017
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While you have your diff out and if you can get one at a reasonable price then I'd take the opportunity to fit one. 99% of the time you will not feel any difference, they give the car a more stable feel in the wet and if the road is a bit dirty. Oh and parking in a field at a show rolleyes

Best mod is to fit good new tyres







phillpot

17,140 posts

184 months

Friday 17th November 2017
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Kitchski said:
I've lost my diff specs table.
Try this........... clicky do da

AutoAndy

2,265 posts

216 months

Friday 17th November 2017
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...are you sure it is not LSD...?

The reason is that I researched this a while ago for my S3C. The opinion was that the S3C "mostly" had them as standard to justify its price increase over the non C car...but you cant be sure.

Then there was the issue of how to test them: Apparently the type of LSD on TVRs was some for of oil based one which was a bit of a half-hearted LSD approach, and so turning various inputs and outputs by hand was not necessarily the best way to test for it. - Which is why I asked if you were sure.

I believe the ultimate check is to read the label on the tag on the diff and look for the magic letters "AA" which indicate it is LSD.

Good luck wink

Maffe

Original Poster:

479 posts

260 months

Friday 17th November 2017
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Dog tag say:
85 GG HB 364

Don’t know what that tells me?

phillpot

17,140 posts

184 months

Friday 17th November 2017
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Check out "clicky do da" in my post, but as Andy says you need lots of A's to be an LSD.

Maffe

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479 posts

260 months

Friday 17th November 2017
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magpies said:
Best mod is to fit good new tyres
Yep, new tyres will be fitted. 6 year old on now.
Suggestions?

DamianS3

1,803 posts

183 months

Sunday 19th November 2017
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One of the best mods you can do to the s imho, 2nd only to replacing the silly door mirrors (if you have the bunny type).

Plenty of places can drop a lsd in while the case is out, type depends on budget, viscous, plate or ATB ?

Bara motorsport did mine.

Thanks

Damian

Maffe

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479 posts

260 months

Sunday 19th November 2017
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DamianS3 said:
Plenty of places can drop a lsd in while the case is out, type depends on budget, viscous, plate or ATB ?
Ignoring the cost, whats the difference in performance?

GreenV8S

30,234 posts

285 months

Sunday 19th November 2017
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Maffe said:
Ignoring the cost, whats the difference in performance?
The viscous diffs drive pretty much like an open diff - and IMO are no better than having an open diff.
Plate LSDs can vary enormously depending on the ramps and preloads used. If you have too much preload you may feel it binding when you're maneuvering round tight corners. Set up right, you won't be aware that it's an LSD in ordinary driving.
I've not driven an ATB equipped car but I understand they are much more linear and don't tend to suffer from stiction as plate LSDs can.

phillpot

17,140 posts

184 months

Sunday 19th November 2017
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GreenV8S said:
The viscous diffs drive pretty much like an open diff - and IMO are no better than having an open diff.
May be they're not "the best thing since sliced bread" but presumably Ford thought they had something to offer, they wouldn't have fitted 'em just for the fun of it?


possibly not the most scientific analysis but if I hoof mine out of a tee junction I reckon it's doing something, inside wheel doesn't spin away wildly scratchchin

think I need some limited slip door locks wink ........ embarrasing

magpies

5,129 posts

183 months

Sunday 19th November 2017
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you have to remember these are a 'Road Car' LSD and not a motorsport LSD

they are set up 'soft' so are not that noticeable unless provoked.

It is possible to have them 'reset' to motorsport aggressiveness but costs lots (I paid £500 in 1995 to have one reset)

it then worked well in my rally Sierra Sapphire 4x4



I still prefer my S with the LSD rather than without