Engine start bosch issues 280i
Discussion
Hi all,
Today, for the first time (driven it about 200 miles) the engine turned over but didn't start. AA man helped me identify it as the fuel injection system. We whipped the rubber top off and managed to get it started by gently depressing the plate.
Does anyone know what could have caused the issue or might cause it to occur again? I've noticed a slight crack in the rubber top tube (any recommended sealants appreciated), but it seems too small to be the issue...
EDIT: Also fuel pump (I think its the fuel pump, situated down under the passenger seat) is has just started whirring noisily. Connected?
Today, for the first time (driven it about 200 miles) the engine turned over but didn't start. AA man helped me identify it as the fuel injection system. We whipped the rubber top off and managed to get it started by gently depressing the plate.
Does anyone know what could have caused the issue or might cause it to occur again? I've noticed a slight crack in the rubber top tube (any recommended sealants appreciated), but it seems too small to be the issue...
EDIT: Also fuel pump (I think its the fuel pump, situated down under the passenger seat) is has just started whirring noisily. Connected?
Edited by IamWedgend on Sunday 6th October 17:05
Ah that sounds very much like my issue, Hot starting was the problem, was fine after it cooled down for 20 mins. Cheers ziga.
I'll send some pictures tomorrow to make sure and will try and get my hands on some foil tape (Am I mad to think a bike puncture patch might be another good option to seal it?).
If it is an accumulator, any ideas where the best place to get my hands on one might be?
Thanks for the help!
EDIT: I will also not be driving it in case it's the cavitation! Thanks for the warning
I'll send some pictures tomorrow to make sure and will try and get my hands on some foil tape (Am I mad to think a bike puncture patch might be another good option to seal it?).
If it is an accumulator, any ideas where the best place to get my hands on one might be?
Thanks for the help!
EDIT: I will also not be driving it in case it's the cavitation! Thanks for the warning
mrzigazaga said:
Hi
PS: If it is the pump making a noise then it could be cavitation which a failing accumulator can cause...it will kill the pump!
I've had another look and it is the pump making the noise. Looked up cavitation and the noise isn't quite the same as the rocky grinding you would expect from cavitation, more of a loud electronic buzzing or whirring, like a loud fan or a window winder stuck on. PS: If it is the pump making a noise then it could be cavitation which a failing accumulator can cause...it will kill the pump!
That gives me a bit of hope that it's not too late to save if I replace the alternator...
Thanks again for all the help! I'll have a stab at the test tomorrow.
Glad to hear about the buzzing being normal - I was worried about the fact that it had gone from inaudible to so loud that I could hear it from the driver's seat. I've got alloy tape arriving tomorrow, so i'll patch the crack and any other possible leaky areas i find, then do your test and see if the pump sound changes.
I have to say it's one thing after the other at the moment, cables popped out of the alternator the other day after i'd just got it back from the shop for some broken springs. But I'll shoulder on! I see from your posts that almost every bad thing that could happen happened to your car and you've managed to get her into great shape.
Glad to hear about the buzzing being normal - I was worried about the fact that it had gone from inaudible to so loud that I could hear it from the driver's seat. I've got alloy tape arriving tomorrow, so i'll patch the crack and any other possible leaky areas i find, then do your test and see if the pump sound changes.
I have to say it's one thing after the other at the moment, cables popped out of the alternator the other day after i'd just got it back from the shop for some broken springs. But I'll shoulder on! I see from your posts that almost every bad thing that could happen happened to your car and you've managed to get her into great shape.
When it's on the road it's the best thing in the world. Looking forward to get it to one of the meets some experienced owners can have a look at her!
Speaking of which, I don't actually have any clamps I can use for the hose. Any DIY alternatives you know of? Thinking i could shove it in a potato (joking).
Speaking of which, I don't actually have any clamps I can use for the hose. Any DIY alternatives you know of? Thinking i could shove it in a potato (joking).
Update!
I've plugged the potentail leak. The hot starting issue still is present, though the fuel pump has blessedly stopped screaming. I'm going to do your test on the alternator soon with the help of a local garage. Let me know if there is anything else I should try first, otherwise i'll keep you posted.
Cheers again,
J
I've plugged the potentail leak. The hot starting issue still is present, though the fuel pump has blessedly stopped screaming. I'm going to do your test on the alternator soon with the help of a local garage. Let me know if there is anything else I should try first, otherwise i'll keep you posted.
Cheers again,
J
Sorry Freudian slip, wires are also slipping out of the alternator so it was on my mind. ACCUMULATOR.
Took it out again it its not sounding good, missing/not catching when accelerating which makes me think it's almost definitely a fuel pump issue. Guy I bought it from literally replaced less than a month ago so maybe something else is ruining them.
Does seem to have the green plug, so i'll also check the accum
Took it out again it its not sounding good, missing/not catching when accelerating which makes me think it's almost definitely a fuel pump issue. Guy I bought it from literally replaced less than a month ago so maybe something else is ruining them.
Does seem to have the green plug, so i'll also check the accum
mrzigazaga said:
Hi mate
It returned on the back of a truck as all the contaminated and rust ridden fuel destroyed the whole system...from pump to injectors, cost me £1,000 to put right!
Oh mate i REALLY hope that's not the case. I have driven it about 300 miles by now and gone through a few tanks of fuel before the issue started though, so I'd hope that sIt returned on the back of a truck as all the contaminated and rust ridden fuel destroyed the whole system...from pump to injectors, cost me £1,000 to put right!
t fuel will have got through the system beforehand. I never let it get below a half tank before refilling though, so I could have just been diluting and extending the duration of the st...Some of the hoses were replaced recently along with the fuel pump, but i'll check the others too, that's a good point.
Cheers!
Hey Guys, update!
The good news is that the issue isn't the pump or accumulator, it's the hose, which is a bit old and kinked, reducing flow.
The bad news is that I also need a new Throttle Body/Housing, and a new bracket, as apparently the one I have is bodged on from something else and is messing with the arm movement.
I'm getting a new set of hoses and a new filter, just in case - BUT does anyone have a clue how I would get a new throttle body?
The good news is that the issue isn't the pump or accumulator, it's the hose, which is a bit old and kinked, reducing flow.
The bad news is that I also need a new Throttle Body/Housing, and a new bracket, as apparently the one I have is bodged on from something else and is messing with the arm movement.
I'm getting a new set of hoses and a new filter, just in case - BUT does anyone have a clue how I would get a new throttle body?
Adrian@ said:
Might be able to help on the body...I swapped mine, and wanted to do it all in one day, so bought one to prepare before hand. A@
Hero, how much would you want for it? Also would you be happy to part with the bracket as well?If you would rather not part with it I think i've found one in germany off an old Capri
Haha that's the part, but yours is the picture of elegance compared to mine, which is literally a rusty bit of metal. It was holding the cable at the wrong angle and preventing the throttle opening fully. (Mine is a 83 auto)
Sounds great, I think I'd love to take it off your hands. One last question, it's not LHD, is it?
Sounds great, I think I'd love to take it off your hands. One last question, it's not LHD, is it?
Blimey thank you so much for all the help! Really above and beyond. I'd love to take the body and I'll happily throw in a little extra for your trouble on top of postage. I'll ping you my address and you can shoot me your PayPal.
Re. the bracket, if you do find a spare that would be great, It's pretty easy to find a throttle cable replacement that should go with either of those two setups you mentioned, but I'm drawing a blank on brackets. If not, no worries! I have a few other lines of inquiry.
Oh and mine is RHD too, it just occurred to me yours might not have been becuase you mentioned it was American spec.
Thanks again, seriously appreciate this.
Best,
J
Re. the bracket, if you do find a spare that would be great, It's pretty easy to find a throttle cable replacement that should go with either of those two setups you mentioned, but I'm drawing a blank on brackets. If not, no worries! I have a few other lines of inquiry.
Oh and mine is RHD too, it just occurred to me yours might not have been becuase you mentioned it was American spec.
Thanks again, seriously appreciate this.
Best,
J
Adrian@ said:
Mine is RHD, let me look for the metal bracket (I cannot say that the bracket came with the assembly though), BUT I will not of thrown it away AND I have broken a 280i Auto in the dim distant past so I might have another bracket here. There is another issue in that your cable 'looks' to be on an adjustable threaded boss through that bracket (mine is the Ford square clip arrangement) and the OE item is a cropped Granada/Capri unit with piece of bar welded on (real TVR engineering) that could be copied to good effect with a keyhole slot that the inner cable would drop through).
Let me know your thoughts...and I am happy for the body to go to you FOC as long as the shipping is covered. A@
Hi Adrian, Let me know your thoughts...and I am happy for the body to go to you FOC as long as the shipping is covered. A@
I don't think your settings allow personal messages, would you mind messaging me and i'll sort you out with payment?
Cheers!
J
Problem solved!
Just picked it up today, new fuel lines, filter and throttle body kindly provided by the Gentleman Adrian. It's running smooth as butter, nice even revs, easy start at Cold and Hot.
Turned out the bracket was fine with a throttle body that wasn't falling to pieces, my apologies to the fine people at TVR.
Thank you all for the input! Couldn't have done it without you all.
Just picked it up today, new fuel lines, filter and throttle body kindly provided by the Gentleman Adrian. It's running smooth as butter, nice even revs, easy start at Cold and Hot.
Turned out the bracket was fine with a throttle body that wasn't falling to pieces, my apologies to the fine people at TVR.
Thank you all for the input! Couldn't have done it without you all.
Grady said:
Which or how much fuel line did you replace? Car is not with me but isn't it hard plastic line from the pump (well just after the pump) to the meter head?
Re the line - just replaced the soft lines. The leak was the new washers that came with the filter not fitting right, but I think I've resolved that. HOWEVER - my fuel pump will need replacing, all these other issues seem to have knackered it. I need some advice here if possible. I have two options
1.Just before I bought the car the last owner replaced it with a cheap model from ebay. I can chase up the warranty, but I can't help suspecting that the quality of the pump perhaps contributed to my issues. This is the model in question: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232204259673?ul_noapp=t...
2. The other option is to get the model from TVR parts. It's about 100 pounds more expensive though. https://tvr-parts.com/tvr-parts/part-details/tvr-0...
Does anyone have any experience with either pump, or an alternative suggestion that's worked for you?
Best,
J
Cheers guys, used your advice to find this pump for the Capri 2.8: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bosch-Electric-Fuel-Pum...
@Wedgehead - it's the same item you linked, just found it a wee bit cheaper - thanks for the suggestion!
5 year warranty and between the two other options in pricing. Will let you know if it's any good.
Cheers,
J
@Wedgehead - it's the same item you linked, just found it a wee bit cheaper - thanks for the suggestion!
5 year warranty and between the two other options in pricing. Will let you know if it's any good.
Cheers,
J
Edited by IamWedgend on Tuesday 5th November 17:13
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